Here's some evidence for Catelyn. I didn't have any bathroom stories in my article so I looked for some this morning:
(No names, high school students) - After assault, Edmond transgender bathroom policy questioned - Oklahoma - 12.8.22 - An Edmond police report indicates an Oct. 26 assault in the girls’ bathroom at Memorial High School in …
Here's some evidence for Catelyn. I didn't have any bathroom stories in my article so I looked for some this morning:
(No names, high school students) - After assault, Edmond transgender bathroom policy questioned - Oklahoma - 12.8.22 - An Edmond police report indicates an Oct. 26 assault in the girls’ bathroom at Memorial High School in which a girl was ‘badly beaten’ by a male student who identified as a female.
Miguel Martinez (No trans name) - Transgender man convicted of assaulting a 10-year-old girl in a bathroom - Montana - 10.20.17
No male name (Katie Dolatowski) - 18-year-old transwoman sexually assaults underage girl in a supermarket bathroom - Scotland - 02.06.19
(Unnamed attacker) - Woman who fought after transwoman attacker in a public park bathroom tells anti-trans group to stop using her story - Washington - 03.16.17
The hyperlinks don't carry over but the article will probably be out a week from this Wednesday. I also just found an article listing 21 alleged transgender attacks in bathrooms (committed by transwomen) put out by the Family Research Council, yet, a notorious right-wing Christian think thank. But, the right-wing press are the ones reporting this and I don't include a story if I can't find a legitimate source mentioning it elsewhere. So none of those stories are in there now. But some of them include bathroom attacks.
I'll also note that transgender women are sometimes attacked by non-transfolk in bathrooms too. That's not right either. Worse, some real women are being attacked by people mistaking them from transwomen because they have short hair or look kinda butch, I guess.
The solution really is third bathrooms, but only the fetishists think that's a bad idea.
"The solution really is third bathrooms, but only the fetishists think that's a bad idea."
I understand why you say this, and in an ideal world it would be true, but in practice it doesn't work unless you have some method of forcing trans people to use the third bathroom. Not to mention the enormous cost to build all of these extra bathrooms.
My belief that people should use the bathrooms they "pass" as is based on the fact that that's what we already do. And any deviance from that would lead to male looking people (trans men) using women's bathrooms. And the obvious problems that would lead to.
So yeah, I think the best way to treat bathrooms, which, as I say to Kaylin, is different to how you should treat changing rooms, prisons, etc, is to say that if you're in a bathroom and people are giving you weird looks, you're in the wrong bathroom. But otherwise, just do your thing and leave.
Oh, and business owners should stop being so cowardly, and when an obvious man is trying to use the women's bathroom and women complain, they should side with women. The fact that women are more likely to face consequences if they challenge a man in the ir bathroom than the man is, is insane. And if the fetishists knew they'd be challenged and that they wouldn't be able to cry victim, I think they'd be less likely to try their luck.
Here's some evidence for Catelyn. I didn't have any bathroom stories in my article so I looked for some this morning:
(No names, high school students) - After assault, Edmond transgender bathroom policy questioned - Oklahoma - 12.8.22 - An Edmond police report indicates an Oct. 26 assault in the girls’ bathroom at Memorial High School in which a girl was ‘badly beaten’ by a male student who identified as a female.
Miguel Martinez (No trans name) - Transgender man convicted of assaulting a 10-year-old girl in a bathroom - Montana - 10.20.17
No male name (Katie Dolatowski) - 18-year-old transwoman sexually assaults underage girl in a supermarket bathroom - Scotland - 02.06.19
(Unnamed attacker) - Woman who fought after transwoman attacker in a public park bathroom tells anti-trans group to stop using her story - Washington - 03.16.17
The hyperlinks don't carry over but the article will probably be out a week from this Wednesday. I also just found an article listing 21 alleged transgender attacks in bathrooms (committed by transwomen) put out by the Family Research Council, yet, a notorious right-wing Christian think thank. But, the right-wing press are the ones reporting this and I don't include a story if I can't find a legitimate source mentioning it elsewhere. So none of those stories are in there now. But some of them include bathroom attacks.
I'll also note that transgender women are sometimes attacked by non-transfolk in bathrooms too. That's not right either. Worse, some real women are being attacked by people mistaking them from transwomen because they have short hair or look kinda butch, I guess.
The solution really is third bathrooms, but only the fetishists think that's a bad idea.
"The solution really is third bathrooms, but only the fetishists think that's a bad idea."
I understand why you say this, and in an ideal world it would be true, but in practice it doesn't work unless you have some method of forcing trans people to use the third bathroom. Not to mention the enormous cost to build all of these extra bathrooms.
My belief that people should use the bathrooms they "pass" as is based on the fact that that's what we already do. And any deviance from that would lead to male looking people (trans men) using women's bathrooms. And the obvious problems that would lead to.
So yeah, I think the best way to treat bathrooms, which, as I say to Kaylin, is different to how you should treat changing rooms, prisons, etc, is to say that if you're in a bathroom and people are giving you weird looks, you're in the wrong bathroom. But otherwise, just do your thing and leave.
Oh, and business owners should stop being so cowardly, and when an obvious man is trying to use the women's bathroom and women complain, they should side with women. The fact that women are more likely to face consequences if they challenge a man in the ir bathroom than the man is, is insane. And if the fetishists knew they'd be challenged and that they wouldn't be able to cry victim, I think they'd be less likely to try their luck.