Saying things like this does not make you persuasive. It just makes you appear ignorant of the facts.
It is not, generally speaking, illegal for a man to enter a female space. In fact, given the current ridiculous state of the law, it could be considered discriminatory to prevent a man from entering a female space. We've seen this play out several times with women being ignored or even penalised when they object to men in gym changing rooms and public bathrooms.
It seems you think it's valiant to be absolutist and to brook no nuance, but this approach causes more problems than it solves. We obviously agree on the importance and value of female-only spaces. But you're not going to solve this problem by yelling at it or high-horsing everyone who acknowledges a little more nuance than you do.
I suspect that is not the case. I do have a male friend who likes to hear women peeing but I'm absolutely certain he doesn't visit women's toilets to do so.
You absolutely certain about that libby ? I wouldn’t be so certain, we have precisely no idea what others we claim to be friends do in their private life and knowing he has that pervy interest it’s potentially not just where he leaves it lol !!
That in no way changes the fact that there are AGP males who do enter female spaces for more than just peeing (themselves).
Do you truly believe that being possessed of a “female gender identity” magically comes with a guarantee that an individual’s male pattern violence, physical advantage over women, and even paraphilic behaviours are eliminated?
And it’s “male” pattern violence. If you’re going to scare quote something, at least get it right.
Dhejne et al’s study absolutely *does* show male pattern violence among trans identifying males: they simply neglected to include the rather obvious analysis in their paper, as it would (of course) invalidate their biases (and yours):
Whether “cis” or not, males are still males. Or as the UK ruled, men.
As for hormones eliminating physical advantage after 2 years … you again display your overwhelming biases and underwhelming appreciation of academic scholarship:
Read those and weep for your BS claim that “hormones do eliminate physical advantage” (ever!):
Males are larger on average than females, as we are a sexually dimorphic species. Hormones don’t make trans identifying males shorter, nor do they affect myriad other aspects of male advantage (see Hilton 2020 from the link above). And comparing a bunch of out of shape TIMs to fit & athletic women … well that’s just deceptive study design.
Do you have any valid arguments or *evidence* in support of your claims?
Or are you going to flounce away now? If so, do try to stick the landing — you folks always look so silly when you land face first.
So that’s a “no” to having any evidence then. Colour me shocked.
I don’t want you gone — stop being so dramatic, it’s really not good for your mental health to entertain persecution fantasies.
I, like many sane people who follow the *actual* science (and the staggering lack thereof in support of any “trans rights” claims) want:
1. No XY in XX spaces. TIFs can choose where they want to be: as females, they face higher levels of sexual assault than males, so XX spaces are a potential refuge to them. But no one is proposing to force Buck Angel out of XY spaces.
2. Leave the kids alone.
Do whatever you like as adults.
Present however makes you happy.
On your own dime.
But female persons, women & girls that is, have rights too. And since suffrage & the Civil Rights era, there has never existed a right for males to occupy female single-sex spaces, sports, or services.
And ALL children have a right to *evidence-based* healthcare, both physical & mental, as well as a secular education — neither randos online nor untrained educators are best positioned to provide guidance on these healthcare topics, and belief in a gendered essence is as firmly rooted in material reality as Catholics’ belief in transubstantiation.
And all of us gender heretics have the right to call a male a man.
And he’s still your friend with that creepy interest and he thinks it’s okay to talk about it and expect people to be alright with him finding listening to women pee as interesting or a turn on?! Haha choose your mates more wisely
Is voyeurism not a crime, Steve?
Every time such a male enters a female private space …
Saying things like this does not make you persuasive. It just makes you appear ignorant of the facts.
It is not, generally speaking, illegal for a man to enter a female space. In fact, given the current ridiculous state of the law, it could be considered discriminatory to prevent a man from entering a female space. We've seen this play out several times with women being ignored or even penalised when they object to men in gym changing rooms and public bathrooms.
It seems you think it's valiant to be absolutist and to brook no nuance, but this approach causes more problems than it solves. We obviously agree on the importance and value of female-only spaces. But you're not going to solve this problem by yelling at it or high-horsing everyone who acknowledges a little more nuance than you do.
Lord god almighty what has transpired while I was asleep
I suspect that is not the case. I do have a male friend who likes to hear women peeing but I'm absolutely certain he doesn't visit women's toilets to do so.
You absolutely certain about that libby ? I wouldn’t be so certain, we have precisely no idea what others we claim to be friends do in their private life and knowing he has that pervy interest it’s potentially not just where he leaves it lol !!
Good for you & for him, Libby.
That in no way changes the fact that there are AGP males who do enter female spaces for more than just peeing (themselves).
Do you truly believe that being possessed of a “female gender identity” magically comes with a guarantee that an individual’s male pattern violence, physical advantage over women, and even paraphilic behaviours are eliminated?
Trans “women” are men, Glau.
Just ask the UK Supreme Court.
And it’s “male” pattern violence. If you’re going to scare quote something, at least get it right.
Dhejne et al’s study absolutely *does* show male pattern violence among trans identifying males: they simply neglected to include the rather obvious analysis in their paper, as it would (of course) invalidate their biases (and yours):
https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/mbm-briefing-on-dhjene-et-al.-april-2021-1.pdf
Whether “cis” or not, males are still males. Or as the UK ruled, men.
As for hormones eliminating physical advantage after 2 years … you again display your overwhelming biases and underwhelming appreciation of academic scholarship:
https://www.womenarehuman.com/research-studies-confirm-trans-athletes-have-advantages-over-women/
Read those and weep for your BS claim that “hormones do eliminate physical advantage” (ever!):
Males are larger on average than females, as we are a sexually dimorphic species. Hormones don’t make trans identifying males shorter, nor do they affect myriad other aspects of male advantage (see Hilton 2020 from the link above). And comparing a bunch of out of shape TIMs to fit & athletic women … well that’s just deceptive study design.
Do you have any valid arguments or *evidence* in support of your claims?
Or are you going to flounce away now? If so, do try to stick the landing — you folks always look so silly when you land face first.
So that’s a “no” to having any evidence then. Colour me shocked.
I don’t want you gone — stop being so dramatic, it’s really not good for your mental health to entertain persecution fantasies.
I, like many sane people who follow the *actual* science (and the staggering lack thereof in support of any “trans rights” claims) want:
1. No XY in XX spaces. TIFs can choose where they want to be: as females, they face higher levels of sexual assault than males, so XX spaces are a potential refuge to them. But no one is proposing to force Buck Angel out of XY spaces.
2. Leave the kids alone.
Do whatever you like as adults.
Present however makes you happy.
On your own dime.
But female persons, women & girls that is, have rights too. And since suffrage & the Civil Rights era, there has never existed a right for males to occupy female single-sex spaces, sports, or services.
And ALL children have a right to *evidence-based* healthcare, both physical & mental, as well as a secular education — neither randos online nor untrained educators are best positioned to provide guidance on these healthcare topics, and belief in a gendered essence is as firmly rooted in material reality as Catholics’ belief in transubstantiation.
And all of us gender heretics have the right to call a male a man.
Get Ovarit.
And he’s still your friend with that creepy interest and he thinks it’s okay to talk about it and expect people to be alright with him finding listening to women pee as interesting or a turn on?! Haha choose your mates more wisely