“Once we get to a point where women don't have to fear men behaving inappropriately/violently, the question of women's spaces will be moot.”
Yeah, maybe it’ll be moot to *you*.
Likely not for any real world females who are actually familiar with the realities of male violence and living with the oppressive and omnipresent male gaze.
Seriously dude, get over yourself. And listen.
I’d be happy to point you toward many women who will take the time to make sure that you understand fully.
And in the meantime, please stop speaking for such women. You seem to have a good mind and the right motivation — don’t let yourself be part of the problem just because you’re too proud to admit a fault or failure.
Do you think the question of whether lesbians should share a changing room with straight women is moot? How about whether black women should share a bathroom with white women? Or maybe whether tall women should share spaces with short women?
To be clear, in the first two cases, there was spirited debate about these distinctions. But that debate is moot today. IF we one day arrive at a point where men pose no threat to women, the question will be equally moot. Note the IF.
I state clearly that we're a long way from that point. I personally don't believe we'll ever reach it. But recognising that if men no longer pose a threat to women, conversations about mitigating the threat men pose to women are moot, is not "pontificating." It is extremely rudimentary logic.
Also, I'm not attempting to speak for "women" because "women" are not a monolith who all think the same thing. I could just as easily point you to many women who welcome the abolition of sex segregation and think any man who declares himself a woman should immediately be granted unlimited access to women's spaces.
I disagree with those women.
So I've thought very carefully, spent a great deal of time listening to a variety of perspectives, and have come to my own conclusions.
That's what caring about an issue requires you to do.
If you want to be an ally of women, you need to get over yourself. If you simply want to be seen by some as an ally, so you can get social approval, while still damaging the cause you purport to support, keep doing what you’re doing.
"Maybe read what Doc Stock @kathleenstock — a professional philosopher — has to say about your pipe dream"
😅 Jesus. What is wrong with you?! It's not "my pipe dream." I'm saying now for the third time I don't think it'll happen. But yes, obviously a world where women aren't endangered by men would be a good thing. Aspiring to this point, even if it's never going to be fully realised, is obviously worthwhile. We've already taken significant strides in this direction in the past 50 years, say.
But yes, until that glorious day, I'm advocating unequivocally for the maintenance of female-only spaces. You're in the comments of an article I've written stating exactly that. So what's got you in quite such a state I'm not sure.
Anyway man, it appears to be futile trying to talk to you. Enjoy virtue signalling for your imagined audience, I guess. I'm sure all your posturing and insulting random people will be invaluable in the fight for women's equality.
Steve, you’re not “brilliant”, you’re just a defensive man who has a way with words sometimes.
Once for for the hard of self-reflecting: you are the one who wrote that “once we get to a point where women don’t have to fear men behaving inappropriately/violently, the questions of women’s spaces will be moot.”
And you are the one who had doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on being in the right.
As a woman, please stop speaking for us like you’re a spokesperson. Speak for YOURSELF. Why do people think they get to speak for an entire sex class lol?
Do you recognize this, Steve?
“Once we get to a point where women don't have to fear men behaving inappropriately/violently, the question of women's spaces will be moot.”
Yeah, maybe it’ll be moot to *you*.
Likely not for any real world females who are actually familiar with the realities of male violence and living with the oppressive and omnipresent male gaze.
Seriously dude, get over yourself. And listen.
I’d be happy to point you toward many women who will take the time to make sure that you understand fully.
And in the meantime, please stop speaking for such women. You seem to have a good mind and the right motivation — don’t let yourself be part of the problem just because you’re too proud to admit a fault or failure.
"Yeah, maybe it’ll be moot to *you*."
Do you think the question of whether lesbians should share a changing room with straight women is moot? How about whether black women should share a bathroom with white women? Or maybe whether tall women should share spaces with short women?
To be clear, in the first two cases, there was spirited debate about these distinctions. But that debate is moot today. IF we one day arrive at a point where men pose no threat to women, the question will be equally moot. Note the IF.
I state clearly that we're a long way from that point. I personally don't believe we'll ever reach it. But recognising that if men no longer pose a threat to women, conversations about mitigating the threat men pose to women are moot, is not "pontificating." It is extremely rudimentary logic.
Also, I'm not attempting to speak for "women" because "women" are not a monolith who all think the same thing. I could just as easily point you to many women who welcome the abolition of sex segregation and think any man who declares himself a woman should immediately be granted unlimited access to women's spaces.
I disagree with those women.
So I've thought very carefully, spent a great deal of time listening to a variety of perspectives, and have come to my own conclusions.
That's what caring about an issue requires you to do.
Yeah, you’re a huge brained intellectual, Steve.
You got one thing right above: “extremely rudimentary logic”
JFC you’re an ass.
But don’t listen to me. I’m just a random dude on your socials.
Maybe read what Doc Stock @kathleenstock — a professional philosopher — has to say about your pipe dream …
https://open.substack.com/pub/kathleenstock/p/lets-abolish-the-dream-of-gender?r=4hy79y&utm_medium=ios
If you want to be an ally of women, you need to get over yourself. If you simply want to be seen by some as an ally, so you can get social approval, while still damaging the cause you purport to support, keep doing what you’re doing.
Fucking moron.
"Maybe read what Doc Stock @kathleenstock — a professional philosopher — has to say about your pipe dream"
😅 Jesus. What is wrong with you?! It's not "my pipe dream." I'm saying now for the third time I don't think it'll happen. But yes, obviously a world where women aren't endangered by men would be a good thing. Aspiring to this point, even if it's never going to be fully realised, is obviously worthwhile. We've already taken significant strides in this direction in the past 50 years, say.
But yes, until that glorious day, I'm advocating unequivocally for the maintenance of female-only spaces. You're in the comments of an article I've written stating exactly that. So what's got you in quite such a state I'm not sure.
Anyway man, it appears to be futile trying to talk to you. Enjoy virtue signalling for your imagined audience, I guess. I'm sure all your posturing and insulting random people will be invaluable in the fight for women's equality.
I totally love Kathleen Stock!
Still not willing to reflect.
Steve, you’re not “brilliant”, you’re just a defensive man who has a way with words sometimes.
Once for for the hard of self-reflecting: you are the one who wrote that “once we get to a point where women don’t have to fear men behaving inappropriately/violently, the questions of women’s spaces will be moot.”
And you are the one who had doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on being in the right.
You’re not.
So now I go loud … and we all get to mock you.
I feel like some people just invoke ‘women’ to lecture and speak down to other people. Like you’re a obnoxious scold
Nobody is mocking the author. Everybody is thinking you're an angry lunatic.
Run along now.
Troll troll go away, come again another day! (as if your sort even need encouragement) 😘
As a woman, please stop speaking for us like you’re a spokesperson. Speak for YOURSELF. Why do people think they get to speak for an entire sex class lol?