Another well constructed argument, and the first I've seen that shows sympathy for the boxers themselves. We need more nuance and subtlety, and the freedom to express them. I wonder what some of these people would say if we proposed moving all of Bruce Jenner's medals and records over to the women's category, since trans people are "alwa…
Another well constructed argument, and the first I've seen that shows sympathy for the boxers themselves. We need more nuance and subtlety, and the freedom to express them. I wonder what some of these people would say if we proposed moving all of Bruce Jenner's medals and records over to the women's category, since trans people are "always" trans even before transitioning.
Another issue I found odd is that there is a woman competing in track who identifies as non-binary, and she is being celebrated in the media as a "trans" athlete, even though she only changed her pronouns. What are the rules there? Do non-binary athletes automatically get assigned to the women's team, or do they get to pick which side they want to compete in? Who would ever choose to compete in the Men's category??
"I wonder what some of these people would say if we proposed moving all of Bruce Jenner's medals and records over to the women's category, since trans people are "always" trans even before transitioning"
Ha! Great point!
And yes, there's a trans man boxing in the female category at this very Olympics. The idea that trans/nonbinary people can neither compete in the appropriate category for their sex is ridiculous. Several trans men (and "nonbinary" females) do this, because they understand, as every serious person understands, that it's dangerous or at least unfavourable for female athletes to compete against males. However they "identify."
You are likely referring to Nikki Hiltz who is female and identifies as non-binary. I find no controversy in her running as her natal sex. Slightly interesting is that she has chosen to have top surgery to remove her breasts, but I wish her the best in competing as a woman.
Another well constructed argument, and the first I've seen that shows sympathy for the boxers themselves. We need more nuance and subtlety, and the freedom to express them. I wonder what some of these people would say if we proposed moving all of Bruce Jenner's medals and records over to the women's category, since trans people are "always" trans even before transitioning.
Another issue I found odd is that there is a woman competing in track who identifies as non-binary, and she is being celebrated in the media as a "trans" athlete, even though she only changed her pronouns. What are the rules there? Do non-binary athletes automatically get assigned to the women's team, or do they get to pick which side they want to compete in? Who would ever choose to compete in the Men's category??
"I wonder what some of these people would say if we proposed moving all of Bruce Jenner's medals and records over to the women's category, since trans people are "always" trans even before transitioning"
Ha! Great point!
And yes, there's a trans man boxing in the female category at this very Olympics. The idea that trans/nonbinary people can neither compete in the appropriate category for their sex is ridiculous. Several trans men (and "nonbinary" females) do this, because they understand, as every serious person understands, that it's dangerous or at least unfavourable for female athletes to compete against males. However they "identify."
You are likely referring to Nikki Hiltz who is female and identifies as non-binary. I find no controversy in her running as her natal sex. Slightly interesting is that she has chosen to have top surgery to remove her breasts, but I wish her the best in competing as a woman.