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J W's avatar

While I think a lot of trans men do pass, trans women only seem to pass in the presence of men. Women know when they are in the presence of a male. They clock it in a split second because this is really important information for theirs and their children's survival. Women automatically relax in the company of other women, but being in the presence of a male, especially one we don't know, sets off something in us, and we're we are on guard to varying degrees depending on the vibe that man gives us. It actually makes no difference if that male has transitioned.

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Chris Fox's avatar

In all candor, very few “trans women” can actually pass. Some of just take it too far and Tammy Faye could lecture them about subtlety... and most of the rest range from absurd to nightmarish.

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J W's avatar

It's such bastardisation of femininity. Can't they just embody the feminine in themselves? Why doesn't that help dysphoria? — being compassionate, and taking on emotional labour an all the more meaningful things women do? I guess that's where it gets offensive, when they plunder femininity and all they come up with is the porn version.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

My wife watches Thai TV over the internet. They have some very pretty trans? women where I have to think a bit, but she instantly says, "That's a man Honey!" I can't say that she represents all women, but she has a quicker eye for sure.

In everyday life I don't pay much attention to the gender of people I encounter since it's unimportant. But I am naturally attracted to beauty (a sweet tooth for eye candy) and there is plenty of that on her TV so I frequently have the "Damn! She's pretty" thought.

It makes me wonder why there are not more women, other than those who have been victims of sexual violence, who are vocal about the trans thing. I think that genuine womanhood is of greater importance to women than it might seem.

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J W's avatar

Yeah, I mean we're more than a sexy costume right? People are shocked at the level of outrage in terfs, but what did they expect? We've spent our lives as women, not just navigating the never-ending challenges of the female reproductive role, and consistently devoting ourselves to the welling of others, but being put down and violated by men. And then you have to facedown menopause (which from everything I've heard is treacherous) — and how do men honour tall that care and sacrifice? By sexualisng and objectifying us to the point they can put on some fake boobs, insist they are getting a period, and bingo, they are one of us. The insult goes deeper than they could ever imagine.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I hope that my "a sweet tooth for eye candy" remark did not lead you to believe that I have disrespect for women. Y'all are much more than that.

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J W's avatar

No, there is nothing wrong with appreciation for beauty, in males or females. Your tone was respectful. Have a great day.

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