I know Jenny, I became friends with her when I first joined Medium. She was one of the other female writers who wrote about feminism without identifying with victimhood. When I talk to her today, usually on Twitter, I go by he/him and call him Ian which is his new name. I like Jenny/Ian and especially that s/he is not a douche. But trans…
I know Jenny, I became friends with her when I first joined Medium. She was one of the other female writers who wrote about feminism without identifying with victimhood. When I talk to her today, usually on Twitter, I go by he/him and call him Ian which is his new name. I like Jenny/Ian and especially that s/he is not a douche. But transmen rarely are. Transwomen, of the Moira kind, are the sources of most of all the sturm und drang.
It's funny how so many people think that putting on a dress or a sports jersey magically turns someone into a male-thinking man and a female-thinking woman (or, as in the case of the prison system, turning a sex offender into a progressive feminist). It's harder to change brains than bodies and frankly, plenty of transwomen are still, as Jenny pointed out, entitled men and quiet, don't-rock-the-boat transmen are doing what quiet girls who don't want attention do. I suspect transmen have a lot more to worry about than transwomen who are still able-bodied men. Can you just imagine a transman trying to join a football team? Even if he was large and strong (think of someone like Leslie Jones), how dangerous will this be? In addition to still being weaker than all your teammates, male sports are notoriously toxic masculine and these dudes may not take kindly to a transman on the team. And how does a toxic masculine male - or several of them - demonstrate to a woman that this is her place, and this is what she was made to do...?
Fun times in the locker room, indeed.
I'm putting my foot down on this "transwomen are women" crap. They are NOT. I can get along with them just fine as long as they're not entitled pindicks and respect my rights as a woman. I don't care how people 'identify' even if I might privately think they're insane. We're all deluded about something, we're the worst judges of ourselves, however positively or negatively we think about ourselves. So, I won't cast too many asparagus :) at people who identify as a different gender. There are some real ones, and having known one long before it was cool, I saw the very real challenges s/he faced as well as how painful it was to be forced into the man label when s/he really wanted to be a woman.
I'm not sure I believe Moira's that kind, though. He sounds way too much like an entitled, narcissistic man for me to take him too seriously.
"But transmen rarely are. Transwomen, of the Moira kind, are the sources of most of all the sturm und drang."
Haha, yep, I often chuckle to myslef in conversations with trans people as I notice this. Trans men are almost invariably more reasonable, and absoluetly invariably less toxic than trans women. Whatever could explain that...
Moira sounds mind-bogglingly entitled. I'd never imagined that trans women would try to pull the misogyny card against trans men. I could barely believe what I was reading. 😅
I've never done the whole "trans women are women" thing. As you say, they're not. It's brainwashing. I can respect trans people without lying or erasing another whole class of people. I dabbled with "cis" for a while, but pretty much stopped using that too.
I heard from so many women who disliked it and thought, "I'm making so much effort to be respectful in how I refer to trans people, why wouldn't I make at least the same effort to be respectful about how I refer to women?"
Yeah, that's the guy who banned me too. Although when I sent an angry email to support a few months ago complaining that they wouldn't stop sending me one of their newsletters even though I'd unsubscribed from everything, I heard from my former debate nemesis Elle Beau. When I responded back I was polite (but angry with Medium) and added "Ha ha Elle, do ya miss me???" She quite professionally ignored that, and handled my issue with full professionalism.
There is one woman on there (Asian, Tara someone-or-other) who is not a madwoman and writes reasonably. Not many others. Most of them write with unrepressed rage, firing at everyone.
Some of them are just astonishingly nasty, as confrontational and belligerent as anyone I have ever seen online, and I've on since Compuserve.
When I got back on (Morgoth & the Silmarrils) I started by seeking out "they/them" and then "trans" and blocking every one, not to be tempted into jumping in anymore since the curators have swallowed the rod and reel along with the hook line and sinker. I told "Roger" to perform an anatomically unlikely act and addressed him by his pronouns since they were clearly intended to be equivalent to his name.
She is the one of the few trans woman I have read on medium who writes reasonable, thoughtful articles related to trans issues. For most others, it is all a bunch of name-calling, shaming and victim hood with click-bait titles and directed towards the radical, e.g., why would I want to read something titled "The TERFs are Scared of the Truth" ? Clearly, folks who are trying to understand and be supportive of the trans community are not the intended audience :-)
I have noticed this as well. I can't think of any cases of an article, tweet, or personal interaction with a trans man that has been toxic. All my (admittedly limited) interactions with trans men have been rational/reasonable. As you said, I wonder what could explain that ;-)
Also interesting is that I don't recall hearing the question 'What is a man' in the context of discussions about trans issues, and rarely is the 'What is a woman' question asked by a woman. It seems that the most hostile anti-trans commentary has been from men and directed at trans women.
As Nicole's comment alludes to, there seems to be very little discussion, or concern, about trans men competing in men's sports. I think that says volumes about why there is concern about the fairness of trans women competing against women, and the need to preserve some woman-only spaces.
I know Jenny, I became friends with her when I first joined Medium. She was one of the other female writers who wrote about feminism without identifying with victimhood. When I talk to her today, usually on Twitter, I go by he/him and call him Ian which is his new name. I like Jenny/Ian and especially that s/he is not a douche. But transmen rarely are. Transwomen, of the Moira kind, are the sources of most of all the sturm und drang.
It's funny how so many people think that putting on a dress or a sports jersey magically turns someone into a male-thinking man and a female-thinking woman (or, as in the case of the prison system, turning a sex offender into a progressive feminist). It's harder to change brains than bodies and frankly, plenty of transwomen are still, as Jenny pointed out, entitled men and quiet, don't-rock-the-boat transmen are doing what quiet girls who don't want attention do. I suspect transmen have a lot more to worry about than transwomen who are still able-bodied men. Can you just imagine a transman trying to join a football team? Even if he was large and strong (think of someone like Leslie Jones), how dangerous will this be? In addition to still being weaker than all your teammates, male sports are notoriously toxic masculine and these dudes may not take kindly to a transman on the team. And how does a toxic masculine male - or several of them - demonstrate to a woman that this is her place, and this is what she was made to do...?
Fun times in the locker room, indeed.
I'm putting my foot down on this "transwomen are women" crap. They are NOT. I can get along with them just fine as long as they're not entitled pindicks and respect my rights as a woman. I don't care how people 'identify' even if I might privately think they're insane. We're all deluded about something, we're the worst judges of ourselves, however positively or negatively we think about ourselves. So, I won't cast too many asparagus :) at people who identify as a different gender. There are some real ones, and having known one long before it was cool, I saw the very real challenges s/he faced as well as how painful it was to be forced into the man label when s/he really wanted to be a woman.
I'm not sure I believe Moira's that kind, though. He sounds way too much like an entitled, narcissistic man for me to take him too seriously.
"But transmen rarely are. Transwomen, of the Moira kind, are the sources of most of all the sturm und drang."
Haha, yep, I often chuckle to myslef in conversations with trans people as I notice this. Trans men are almost invariably more reasonable, and absoluetly invariably less toxic than trans women. Whatever could explain that...
Moira sounds mind-bogglingly entitled. I'd never imagined that trans women would try to pull the misogyny card against trans men. I could barely believe what I was reading. 😅
I've never done the whole "trans women are women" thing. As you say, they're not. It's brainwashing. I can respect trans people without lying or erasing another whole class of people. I dabbled with "cis" for a while, but pretty much stopped using that too.
I heard from so many women who disliked it and thought, "I'm making so much effort to be respectful in how I refer to trans people, why wouldn't I make at least the same effort to be respectful about how I refer to women?"
"I've never done the whole "trans women are women" thing. As you say, they're not. "
I got banned from Medium for those exact words. The email was signed
Roger (he/him)
Yeah, that's the guy who banned me too. Although when I sent an angry email to support a few months ago complaining that they wouldn't stop sending me one of their newsletters even though I'd unsubscribed from everything, I heard from my former debate nemesis Elle Beau. When I responded back I was polite (but angry with Medium) and added "Ha ha Elle, do ya miss me???" She quite professionally ignored that, and handled my issue with full professionalism.
There is one woman on there (Asian, Tara someone-or-other) who is not a madwoman and writes reasonably. Not many others. Most of them write with unrepressed rage, firing at everyone.
Some of them are just astonishingly nasty, as confrontational and belligerent as anyone I have ever seen online, and I've on since Compuserve.
When I got back on (Morgoth & the Silmarrils) I started by seeking out "they/them" and then "trans" and blocking every one, not to be tempted into jumping in anymore since the curators have swallowed the rod and reel along with the hook line and sinker. I told "Roger" to perform an anatomically unlikely act and addressed him by his pronouns since they were clearly intended to be equivalent to his name.
I think I left Tara unblocked.
I think you may be referring to TaraElla https://medium.com/@taraella
She is the one of the few trans woman I have read on medium who writes reasonable, thoughtful articles related to trans issues. For most others, it is all a bunch of name-calling, shaming and victim hood with click-bait titles and directed towards the radical, e.g., why would I want to read something titled "The TERFs are Scared of the Truth" ? Clearly, folks who are trying to understand and be supportive of the trans community are not the intended audience :-)
Yeah, I like TaraElla. When we disagreed on something we both remained civil and polite. She's actually trying to help, rather than spit venom.
I have noticed this as well. I can't think of any cases of an article, tweet, or personal interaction with a trans man that has been toxic. All my (admittedly limited) interactions with trans men have been rational/reasonable. As you said, I wonder what could explain that ;-)
Also interesting is that I don't recall hearing the question 'What is a man' in the context of discussions about trans issues, and rarely is the 'What is a woman' question asked by a woman. It seems that the most hostile anti-trans commentary has been from men and directed at trans women.
As Nicole's comment alludes to, there seems to be very little discussion, or concern, about trans men competing in men's sports. I think that says volumes about why there is concern about the fairness of trans women competing against women, and the need to preserve some woman-only spaces.