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Chris Fox's avatar

Accepting children being splashed across classrooms is inseparable from the Second Amendment unless it is restored to its original meaning. There is no putting the genie of Crazy back in the bottle and it is only going to get a lot worse, and soon.

The 1/6 committee recommended four criminal charges against Trump and it is likely that at least some of them will proceed to indictment. His followers are going to go absolutely ape and most of them are armed.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I don't know that they will cross the Rubicon and send a former President to prison since the pendulum will eventually swing and the Rs will follow that president and do the same to the criminals with a D behind their name.

If they do, I don't expect much to happen. They say there are four political boxes. The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box. My super MAGA buddy is big on the first two but to the best of my knowledge he doesn't own a firearm, his military experience did not involve combat and I would not anticipate him doing anything violent. Actually, I have several conservative friends who don't own firearms; two of them because their wives are unstable, and they are concerned that they might use one to harm themselves. And, I have liberal/progressive friends who do own firearms. In the words of one of them, "We lefties like our guns too."

You might be overestimating their gun ownership and especially their likelihood of using them, though I agree that some might.

1/6 was an insurrection where the insurrectionists left their guns at home. The notable exception was the Oath Keepers.

I was a founding member when it was advertised as a non-partisan organization. I should have seen it coming, but when I saw it become partisan, I ended my membership. Stewart Rhodes has already been convicted. He seemed reasonable when I met him, but then came what was probable delusions of grandeur.

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Chris Fox's avatar

"I don't know that they will cross the Rubicon and send a former President to prison since the pendulum will eventually swing and the Rs will follow that president and do the same to the criminals with a D behind their name."

There are no good paths out of this but I think not indicting and arresting Trump is the worst of them. That tells some future set of insurrectionists that they can try again.

Future Republican congressional majorities—heaven forfend—will try the same thing, of course; they have already made clear that the next two years are going to be nonstop performance and sham. They will try to impeach Biden at least once a week. But it's not symmetrical. Indictment numbers:

Trump — 215

Nixon — 76

Reagan — 26

Obama — 0

Carter — 1

Clinton — 2

I doubt any Democratic president is likely to provide a real justification for indictment and arrest. Not that they won't try, and when they fail they will just say that the deck is stacked against conservatives, as usual.

I think that failing to indict is the greatest risk, and a pardon by Biden is not warranted in this case, I think it would have the same effect as not indicting at all.

Yes, indicting Trump will increase the persecution mania that conservatives enjoy so much. No question. And yes there will be a violent reaction, though probably not as intense as it would have been had the indictments come before all the disgrace.

It's important for people to be reminded that nobody is above the law. I think that is more important than anything else. Trump has committed dozens of crimes, he has no morals, and whether people revere or despise him, they need to know that he is as subject to law as anyone.

Then maybe we can start doing something about people who don't pay taxes.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

There are 393 million firearms in private hands in the US. According to the CDC in 2020 (the most recent year with data) there were 45,222 gun related deaths in the US (homicide, suicide, accidents where the number of people properly killed (to save lives) is not called it). Therefore 0.00115% of the nation's privately owned firearms were involved if you generously assume that each death was with a different firearm. I don't see that as a case for firearms being a cause, they are tools. It is purposefully under reported when a gun is used to save lives which leads to what I think is the biggest impediment to reasonable gun control - mistrust of the anti-gun people with their end justifies any means mentality.

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Chris Fox's avatar

Let me add another statistic: 42% of Americans own guns at all, which means that those 393 million firearms are distributed among 140 million people, the vast majority of whom own one or two guns.

Completing that thought, some people own absolutely enormous numbers of firearms. Perhaps you've seen that photo of the family with over 400 assorted black military-style rifles and handguns on display in the back yard.

I want people like that completely disarmed.

More: suicide is about 2/3 of gun deaths. Problem is that firearm suicide is successful about 90% of the time while other forms are about 10%. People take a bottle of pills and just puke and awaken in the hospital just flying and with a headache. They cut their wrists and just cripple their hands.

There is no arguing that most gun owners aren't problems, they just own a gun to feel safer. But then, the tiny percentage who break into houses require us all to have locks and worry every time we're out of the house.

And gun advocates won't concede a thing; blind people who are mentally unstable need to be allowed to own guns.

With mass shootings coming almost daily now, and only bound to get worse, we need to start somewhere and it's a pity we didn't start back when there were fewer guns than people.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

People who hunt/hunted often have more than one firearm for different purposes, not the same as collecting. I wonder if the super gun collectors have a form of MIAS (musical instrument acquisition syndrome). It would be better and just as useless to have fifty guitars or ukuleles.

I have a friend who bought two each AR15 & M1As (non-military versions of the M16 & M14). He asked me over to teach him how to field strip them to clean them. He was not a veteran and had no training with them. Politically left leaning and not a nut. He just wanted to have them as an investment. He could sell them for far more than he paid for them today. To his credit, he had a high-quality gun safe.

Some people buy gold and silver for the collapse. One of my daughters says that lead will be the barter currency for the new millennium. Ammunition is very scalable right down to a single round of .22 LR. There are people who store large amounts of ammunition more for that reason than thinking of a shoot-um-up.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I have a dozen hardware synthesizers. OK, I went a little nuts. I was warned about Gearlust.

I have three classical guitars and a mandolin. I'm struggling to get the motivation to get practicing again. I used to be quite good and I get a lot better in an hour of playing.

But I wasn't talking about a hunter with a second piece for rodents, you know who I'm talking about; the guys with racks of assault rifles, the guy who bought five more handguns because Obama won some legislative victory (not related to guns), the ones who wear three guns around the house and five when they leave it. These people are crazy, and they are obsessed.

I'm talking about the people who can't imagine any solution to the growing menace of firearms that doesn't involve everyone being more armed, the ones who really believe in that polite society, the ones who take Xmas pictures of everyone in the family holding an assault rifle.

You know as well as I that this is sick.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I don't need to tell you how good music is for your head. I hope you pick up one of those guitars and create something new on a synthesizer for you sound cloud.

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Chris Fox's avatar

But wait! There's more!

Playing from sheet music, which I now do almost all the time I play classical guitar, has an established benefit in deferring senility. Last I read the connection was not understood, but it uses so many different parts of the brain in coordination that speculation comes easily.

Cellist Pablo Casals was playing gifted interpretations of Bach which involved reading figured bass; numerical notations beneath single notes

B

6

would be a G chord, B being the third, and the other note, D, not needed because any one who can read figured bass knows this stuff. But it isn't just chords, the musician is expected to work in themes and transitions from the body of the piece.

It takes really deep understanding and fast thinking to play from figured bass, most Baroque musicians fill it in before they perform.

Casals was doing superb live interpretations of figured bass at age 96.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I was into Baroque music for years before I started listening to later classical music and I won't say I could play figured bass but I understood it well enough to read it and tell what chords it was specifying.

Usually figured bass was for the "continuo," which was the name for a bass viol (a bowed instrument like a cello but with frets) and a harpsichord; it was not until Bach's Brandenburg #5 that the harpsichord got a lead role. The pair of instruments were like what bebop would call the rhythm section. They were an accompaniment, and the two musicians were expected to be able to improvise within the piece, playing music that was not written out, only hinted at.

The musicians did this all the time, not like modern classical musicians who might do Baroque only sometimes.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

When I was a child my mother sent me to summer with country relatives. One summer it was with an aunt who was a piano teacher. At the end of summer, I played in church from the Baptist (Broadman) Hymnal. I went back home to no piano and forgot it. I cannot sight read on any instrument that I play now, ruined by tablature or chord charts.

I play with people who use songbooks with notation and need to work on learning it since I am often limited to playing chords without that ability. For songs with long strings of chords with 3 Major & 3 minor chords with two different chords in each measure at the speeds they play it would be easier to play the melody. I need to work on that since one of my reasons for music is to exercise my brain now that I've retired from my thinking job. The task is complicated by my playing instruments with different tunings, so the notes are in different places on the fretboard. I need to do it even though it is contrary to my goal of being able to play anything I hear or have in my head without paper.

I just looked up figured bass. Good grief!

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Chris Fox's avatar

I used sheet music to learn a piece, classical or rock, many years before I could play live from the sheet music. I think it started with playing some studies by Fernando Sor, Classical Era Spanish composer, pieces that fit under the fingers in mostly low positions, Suddenly I could play from the music at performance speed, and then I could play pieces I was trying for the first time at close to performance speed.

I still use sheet music mostly to learn the pieces, though I almost always rearrange them. The guitarist who inspired me to play, Julian Bream, used too many open strings in his arrangements, whereas I try not to mix fretted and open strings in a scale run unless I need to so I can jump to a distant position.

I can read tabs but I'm used to music notation now.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

Banjo (old-time) got me partial to open strings. I often play in G & D so DADGBE & DGDGBE are tempting guitar tunings (more open string chords) but while I'm learning I'm sticking to EADGBE.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I've never experimented with alternate tunings. About half of classical pieces tune to bass string to D instead of E but whichever tuning I'm using there are passages where the other would be momentarily more convenient. Now on my Yepes 10-string I always have both.

Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin) tunes his electric to DADGAD, dad-gad, which is why so many bands covering LZ songs don't sound quite right. Joni Mitchell almost never uses the standard tuning.

One piece I really want to learn uses E♭ A D G B♭ E♮ and it's extremely difficult already because of the tempo, but WOW do I want to learn it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kI2dnAAZhA

I would need to get totally serious again, practicing hours every day.

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Chris Fox's avatar

Wow the Wikipedia entry on figured bass is excellent! That has everything I ever knew about it in one screen.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I contribute money annually. It's good for many things not politicized. As always, if it can be politicized, not so much.

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Grow Some Labia's avatar

I hope you're wrong. Trump predicted everyone would lose their minds over the midterms if his people didn't win but they didn't. It's a very real threat, for sure, but they lost their minds neither over that nor the Mar-A-Lago raid. Maybe they'd like to go to jail too, along with all their fellow traitor comrades already there?

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Chris Fox's avatar

I think you have it backwards. Loyalty to the GOP or to conservatism takes a distant second to loyalty to the God King himself. He wasn’t running. Trump isn’t a conservative, and he isn’t a Republican. Neither are his followers. It’s a cult.

And when the cult leader is marched away in handcuffs bellowing about persecution and witch hunts it’s going to be like sewer rats in a flood.

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Grow Some Labia's avatar

Maybe, although he doesn't seem to have as much support as he had before. The mid-terms appear to be a refutation of Trumpism. Yeah, Americans need to be vigilant if he's perp-walked into a prison. Yeah, there will probably be some terrorist attacks by his followers. Not sure it will be mass hysteria, but I could be wrong. Then again, will Garland have the balls to indict him. I note Republican Congresscritters aren't jumping to protect Trump with the expected indictment, and they have to answer to the voters. So maybe they know something we don't.

That it's safer. I really hope so. If America *doesn't* explode with anger over this, it'll be the strongest indication yet that Trump's Reign of Error is over.

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Chris Fox's avatar

He has lost support of what we've come to call the "establishment" Republicans, who are only 8 on the Crazy Meter and not 11.

The good part: the GOP cannot win with Trump, his unfavorability is not only high, it is intense. But if he is not the nominee he will take psychotic revenge, telling his supporters not to vote for Republicans who betrayed him.

In short: they can't win with him, and they can't win without him. It's algebra.

But his supporters are hate-crazed, enraged, and irrational. They *will* make a ton of trouble. I don't know the scale but it will be horrible. They have discovered electric grids now and may graduate to bombs.

Garland: the pressure on him to act will be intense. Discouraging is that he has moved so slowly; encouraging is that he authorized the search of Trump's Florida tea-room. That took some balls. He will have to travel in tanks for a while but, well. I don't want to jinx it with a prediction. I want to pick up my phone and see TRUMP ARRESTED on a notification, or maybe something a little more ummm determinative.

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Grow Some Labia's avatar

I'm getting quite, quite sick of waiting for the other g.d. shoe to drop. Enough pussyfooting around, buddy-boy, INDICT HIM!!!

The inability to deal with terrorists and coup plotters in a timely manner, like within 24-48 hours like Germany and Peru did, tells something about how lacking in balls the US has become. Since mass murder on a daily basis doesn't move Americans' hearts to wonder whether people really need all the damn assault weapons they've got, maybe terrorist attacks that inconvenience *them* will make a difference.

Or perhaps when Trump's brownshirts do worse than not vote for any Republican Trump decides he doesn't like, maybe they'll rethink their position on whether idiots with guns is a sane policy for a so-called 'civillized' country.

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Chris Fox's avatar

A reason to be concerned about the inability of the DOJ to act decisively:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/03/08/they-are-preparing-war-an-expert-civil-wars-discusses-where-political-extremists-are-taking-this-country/

Worse, the insurrectionists have a lot of support in law enforcement.

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Grow Some Labia's avatar

Good article. It disturbs me greatly that the Jan 6th insurrection had support within law enforcement, the military and the Secret Service. I always wondered if those guys were willing to take a bullet for a loser like *Trump*. and I realized, yes.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

As someone who worked with classified data for years, I see taking classified data as a serious thing that he could, and should, rightfully be prosecuted for. Why the hell would anyone want to keep that kind of thing?

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Chris Fox's avatar

To sell it, of course. What other reason could there be? Nostalgia?

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Grow Some Labia's avatar

Well he sure ain't gonna read it himself. Too many big words, and no mention of himself.

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