Shared Traits: Both ENTPs and ESTPs are extroverted and enjoy engaging with the world around them. They are also both thinking types, which means they value logic and rationality in their decision-making processes 1.
Differences:
Intuition vs. Sensing: ENTPs are intuitive, meaning they focus on possibilities and abstract concepts. ESTPs, on the other hand, are sensing types who prefer concrete information and practical experiences 1.
Flexibility: Both types are perceiving, which means they are adaptable and spontaneous. However, ENTPs might lean more towards exploring new ideas, while ESTPs might prefer hands-on activities 1.
Compatibility: These differences can complement each other well, with ENTPs bringing innovative ideas and ESTPs providing practical implementation. Their shared extroversion and thinking traits can help them understand each other's perspectives and work together effectively.
I feel the above AI summary is accurate to us. I had already figured that I would listen to you as a bit more of a brainstormer versus me which is a bit of a solution-committer. These are all relative, of course. We all dip into creativity and solutions, just with different things and emphasis.
Reacting to your wanting From my perspective" to avoid projection, I appreciate the request for more precise language. At the same time, everything I write is from my perspective, so this is understood unless I am trying to quote you with quotation marks to indicate this is not my interpretation but your literal words.
You also said things about others positions without the "from my perspective", so I don't think you are very insistent on it. I don't really care about that or when I do it, because everything we all say is "from my perspective" unless air quoting otherwise. I won't be distracted when seeing it and then not seeing it in use.
Reacting to your points about larger context and addressing (or even properly stating) the original question, this too I appreciate, but properly the larger context more than anything. Time and time again people move off of the original intent of a query, so yes, stating a strong question and sticking to it can help. In the case of the OP though, I see that Steve QJ is writing in an appealing/entertaining style and not as a scientific paper for peer review. If he doesn't get clicks through big headline and rapid movement in the first paragraph, his substack will not maximize appeal and growth. Just being real here.
(You can call what I say next is projection, but again, everything I say is in my voice, and I don't need to say that explicitly. I would rather say more with fewer words.) Your style is spontaneous, unedited commenting to what you feel should be more structured OPs from Steve. Steve's style is his style, and he isn't changing it for you. I don't think you should hold Steve and I to the same standard since I am your peer in being only in comments and not OP, and it matters not whether I claim to edit my comments or not. We all write from our own seats. All of us communicate how we do. So, after all these dozens or even hundreds of comments, why not accept the communication style differences, the apparent use of projection, and instead focus on the substantive arguments within the OP?
The communication style comments are not worthless! They are the TX and RX of systems handshaking in an attempt to communicate at the most-effective protocol. But protocols should be negotiated in initial handshakes and not renegotiated ad-nauseum. Our common denominator for communicating is not at the fastest and most secure protocol that each of us would individually prefer, and that is necessary and okay. I mean it must be okay, because here we all are doing it.
TL;DR summary. In order to focus on the juicy issues and not communication protocols, I accept any of your communication foibles and hope you can see through mine to any potentially salient ideas I potentially have. I will take the best from your creative, unedited style and hope you can do the same with whatever it is that I am. I enjoy the differences, because I want new ideas that are not already in my own head, and you have lots of them. I have sincere thanks for your travelling this journey with me.
LOL, you have unlocked level '42'. Consequently all of Monty Python is in fair play.
Hello ENTF, I am ESTP. This article accurately defined major peeves I have:
https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/2016/11/15/5-ways-annoy-estp/
1 – Plan Their Schedule
2 – Seek Attention at All Costs
3 – Complain Without Wanting a Solution
4 – Do Everything Slowly
5 – Dismiss Their Analysis and Logic
From AI:
Shared Traits: Both ENTPs and ESTPs are extroverted and enjoy engaging with the world around them. They are also both thinking types, which means they value logic and rationality in their decision-making processes 1.
Differences:
Intuition vs. Sensing: ENTPs are intuitive, meaning they focus on possibilities and abstract concepts. ESTPs, on the other hand, are sensing types who prefer concrete information and practical experiences 1.
Flexibility: Both types are perceiving, which means they are adaptable and spontaneous. However, ENTPs might lean more towards exploring new ideas, while ESTPs might prefer hands-on activities 1.
Compatibility: These differences can complement each other well, with ENTPs bringing innovative ideas and ESTPs providing practical implementation. Their shared extroversion and thinking traits can help them understand each other's perspectives and work together effectively.
I feel the above AI summary is accurate to us. I had already figured that I would listen to you as a bit more of a brainstormer versus me which is a bit of a solution-committer. These are all relative, of course. We all dip into creativity and solutions, just with different things and emphasis.
Reacting to your wanting From my perspective" to avoid projection, I appreciate the request for more precise language. At the same time, everything I write is from my perspective, so this is understood unless I am trying to quote you with quotation marks to indicate this is not my interpretation but your literal words.
You also said things about others positions without the "from my perspective", so I don't think you are very insistent on it. I don't really care about that or when I do it, because everything we all say is "from my perspective" unless air quoting otherwise. I won't be distracted when seeing it and then not seeing it in use.
Reacting to your points about larger context and addressing (or even properly stating) the original question, this too I appreciate, but properly the larger context more than anything. Time and time again people move off of the original intent of a query, so yes, stating a strong question and sticking to it can help. In the case of the OP though, I see that Steve QJ is writing in an appealing/entertaining style and not as a scientific paper for peer review. If he doesn't get clicks through big headline and rapid movement in the first paragraph, his substack will not maximize appeal and growth. Just being real here.
(You can call what I say next is projection, but again, everything I say is in my voice, and I don't need to say that explicitly. I would rather say more with fewer words.) Your style is spontaneous, unedited commenting to what you feel should be more structured OPs from Steve. Steve's style is his style, and he isn't changing it for you. I don't think you should hold Steve and I to the same standard since I am your peer in being only in comments and not OP, and it matters not whether I claim to edit my comments or not. We all write from our own seats. All of us communicate how we do. So, after all these dozens or even hundreds of comments, why not accept the communication style differences, the apparent use of projection, and instead focus on the substantive arguments within the OP?
The communication style comments are not worthless! They are the TX and RX of systems handshaking in an attempt to communicate at the most-effective protocol. But protocols should be negotiated in initial handshakes and not renegotiated ad-nauseum. Our common denominator for communicating is not at the fastest and most secure protocol that each of us would individually prefer, and that is necessary and okay. I mean it must be okay, because here we all are doing it.
TL;DR summary. In order to focus on the juicy issues and not communication protocols, I accept any of your communication foibles and hope you can see through mine to any potentially salient ideas I potentially have. I will take the best from your creative, unedited style and hope you can do the same with whatever it is that I am. I enjoy the differences, because I want new ideas that are not already in my own head, and you have lots of them. I have sincere thanks for your travelling this journey with me.