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I spent 15 minutes trying to find the quote. The thread as so many sub-threads I can find it.

From my memory I believe it was related to "the only thing different is trans-woman being in woman's prisons". I agree that using "only thing different" here is confusing. There are allot of differences in the pre-trans debate era (I define that as when the statement trans-woman = woman statement was made) and the post-trans debate era.

But I can see that you interacting with my view that this is a very grey subject riles you. I view most of the world as grey. There is very little black and white. Even "science" admits that. Newton's law was a great example. It was a law until it wasn't. That happened when Einstein's theory of relativity was universally accepted.

Countries laws are relative to the current society morality. They nothing more than snapshots in time. Prohibition and Slavery are two great examples. Laws are all grey. We use institutions like the courts to help make them black and white. But as we have found out, what is black in one time can become white in another (e.g. abortion).

You like to site some vague concept of human rights. As I have pointed out to you (and the Human Rights Campaign) many times, please define where you get your definition of Human Rights. Because the UN definition is inherently at odds with itself. That was by design because they could never have gotten agreements from all the countries on the definition if it wasn't.

Sorry that I have a very deep knowledge of all the issues. Including the discussion with peaceful dave on the concept of the brain matures around 25 years old as relevant to the discussion.

My old daughter who is a psychologist recently told me that I have a very unique ability to listen to other people without pre-judging the morality of their perspective and perceived issues. My only goal is to understand and facilitate clarity. In the case of the conversation my goal was to clearly separate the term "trans-community" from the concepts of "malicious men posing as woman". I also want to make it clear that the debate is anything but black and white. Its the epitome of grey as determined by all the various view many well thought out people have publicly stated on the debate.

I'm wonder whether you really want me commenting on your articles. That's why I decided not to do a paid subscription anymore.

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Steve QJ's avatar

If I wanted to stop you commenting in my articles I'd have blocked you. Simple. If you remain unblocked, you are obviously welcome to continue commenting. If you choose to stop commenting or paying to subscribe, that's your choice. I've never tried to push you in either direction. Stop playing the victim.

I find you incredibly irritating to talk to for no other reason that you don't think very deeply and simultaneously aren't willing to listen. You very often have an incredibly superficial understanding of the facts, but whether it's your ego or just the Dunning-Kruger effect, you can never recognise this. So when people point out that you're wrong, you just start blathering about different "truths."

So if your goal is to "facilitate clarity," and you regularly receive the feedback (from people who aren't your daughter) that you're failing, does there ever come a point where that leads to a little bit of self examination? Do you ever, for example, ask what someone means rather than telling them what they think or what retreats they should go on?

Do you ever have one of your points refuted and think, even privately, "ah, I was wrong there, I won't repeat that same argument in the very next conversation,"?

You're very engaged on these topics. That's great. I genuinely welcome engagement and disagreement. But man, try approaching conversations as just conversations instead of as "debates" that you're trying to win. On the rare occasions when you do that, we get along fine.

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Steve QJ's avatar

"Sorry that I have a very deep knowledge of all the issues"

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