I didn't get enough sleep last night and I had to give up reading this a quarter of the way through because translating "trans men" to "biological women" and vice versa is just too exhausting.
But I do have a simple solution.
Let the "trans" of both reversed sexes squat in the bushes and "wipe" with leaves. That solves everyone's problems …
I didn't get enough sleep last night and I had to give up reading this a quarter of the way through because translating "trans men" to "biological women" and vice versa is just too exhausting.
But I do have a simple solution.
Let the "trans" of both reversed sexes squat in the bushes and "wipe" with leaves. That solves everyone's problems (until they run out of dead leaves).,
They have made their choices, let them live with the consequences of those choices. And, please, nobody insult my intelligence telling me they're "just being their true selves." We aren't talking about people with GID, we're talking about a cult.
I'd say the test of how committed they are to getting along with others is to state the best solution is a third set of bathrooms. True transwomen will understand; the rest are the sexual fetishists and MRAs in drag.
"True transwomen will understand; the rest are the sexual fetishists and MRAs in drag."
I don't think this is true. As I said to CJ, trans women who pass are already using women's bathrooms. Because in a bathroom, your biological sex is largely irrelevant. It's how you look that governs whether you make people uncomfortable or not. In fact, I've seen several cases of butch women being challenged in bathrooms because they look too "manly."
But the cost and time involved in building a third set of bathrooms makes is a non-starter.
I think genuine trans women are happy with a sensible degree of safeguarding that weeds out the weirdos and the fetishists. Again, before self ID, nobody talked about trans inclusion, even though trans women had been using women's spaces for years before that.
On a trip back from the Grand Canyon we stopped at Sunset Point where there is a large set of restrooms. My sister walked into the women's room and encountered a very butch woman. Initially thinking she'd gone into the men's room she let it a loud "Oh my God!" before realizing the reality. She said that the butch woman obviously knew what that was about. They both said nothing further. What did she expect?
I once walked into the bathroom to take a pee when I was on a first date with someone (although he was already a friend, so we knew each other). As I was sitting there in the stall some dude walked in and started using the urinal while i was sitting there. I hoped he'd leave but it was a long pee...Mexican restaurant, beer ;) So finally I said, "Oops, I'm sorry, but I think I'm in the wrong bathroom!" "I think you are!" he said with a sense of humour. "I'll wait until you leave." I can't remember if I went to the ladies' to washup but when i came back my friend was laughing his ass off. "Why didn't you come get me if you saw I'd made a mistake?" I asked becaus he had. "Because it was too funny,' He said. Obviously he wan't worried about me getting raped and murdered in the loo in 1993 ;)
I overgeneralized a bit but that's what I believe about a lot of this bathroom drama. I actually can buy the notion that transwomen, however passable, may not feel safe in the men's room (maybe not Lia Thomas...he can kick anyone's ass). I can also believe transmen might be safer in the ladies' - *why* would they want to use the men's if they can't pass well? They walk in and announce wordlessly, "VAGINA HERE!" It's an invitation for abuse - not sanctioning or excusing that, just stating reality. Transwomen might well feel unsafe in the mens' too - same reason, as you pointed out, it's the maleness that's the problem, not the identity. I suspect if the public started taking the third bathroom seriously and started debating it, the problem might go away - a lot of 'transwomen' might suddenly lose interest in where they take a pee if it's really all about forcing women into submission.
I didn't get enough sleep last night and I had to give up reading this a quarter of the way through because translating "trans men" to "biological women" and vice versa is just too exhausting.
But I do have a simple solution.
Let the "trans" of both reversed sexes squat in the bushes and "wipe" with leaves. That solves everyone's problems (until they run out of dead leaves).,
They have made their choices, let them live with the consequences of those choices. And, please, nobody insult my intelligence telling me they're "just being their true selves." We aren't talking about people with GID, we're talking about a cult.
I'd say the test of how committed they are to getting along with others is to state the best solution is a third set of bathrooms. True transwomen will understand; the rest are the sexual fetishists and MRAs in drag.
"True transwomen will understand; the rest are the sexual fetishists and MRAs in drag."
I don't think this is true. As I said to CJ, trans women who pass are already using women's bathrooms. Because in a bathroom, your biological sex is largely irrelevant. It's how you look that governs whether you make people uncomfortable or not. In fact, I've seen several cases of butch women being challenged in bathrooms because they look too "manly."
But the cost and time involved in building a third set of bathrooms makes is a non-starter.
I think genuine trans women are happy with a sensible degree of safeguarding that weeds out the weirdos and the fetishists. Again, before self ID, nobody talked about trans inclusion, even though trans women had been using women's spaces for years before that.
On a trip back from the Grand Canyon we stopped at Sunset Point where there is a large set of restrooms. My sister walked into the women's room and encountered a very butch woman. Initially thinking she'd gone into the men's room she let it a loud "Oh my God!" before realizing the reality. She said that the butch woman obviously knew what that was about. They both said nothing further. What did she expect?
I once walked into the bathroom to take a pee when I was on a first date with someone (although he was already a friend, so we knew each other). As I was sitting there in the stall some dude walked in and started using the urinal while i was sitting there. I hoped he'd leave but it was a long pee...Mexican restaurant, beer ;) So finally I said, "Oops, I'm sorry, but I think I'm in the wrong bathroom!" "I think you are!" he said with a sense of humour. "I'll wait until you leave." I can't remember if I went to the ladies' to washup but when i came back my friend was laughing his ass off. "Why didn't you come get me if you saw I'd made a mistake?" I asked becaus he had. "Because it was too funny,' He said. Obviously he wan't worried about me getting raped and murdered in the loo in 1993 ;)
I overgeneralized a bit but that's what I believe about a lot of this bathroom drama. I actually can buy the notion that transwomen, however passable, may not feel safe in the men's room (maybe not Lia Thomas...he can kick anyone's ass). I can also believe transmen might be safer in the ladies' - *why* would they want to use the men's if they can't pass well? They walk in and announce wordlessly, "VAGINA HERE!" It's an invitation for abuse - not sanctioning or excusing that, just stating reality. Transwomen might well feel unsafe in the mens' too - same reason, as you pointed out, it's the maleness that's the problem, not the identity. I suspect if the public started taking the third bathroom seriously and started debating it, the problem might go away - a lot of 'transwomen' might suddenly lose interest in where they take a pee if it's really all about forcing women into submission.
How many billions of dollars do you want to spend to honor the demands of spoiled brats?
I say, none.
Like all fads, this one will die out.
I am quite serious. Let them squat in the bushes.