"Surely those men are just there to pee, like everybody else and if they behave in a threatening manner, get him removed?"
This is what I find most frustrating about all this. The trans activists understand the "TERF" arguments about women's safety perfectly well. Trans women spout them when they talk about feeling "unsafe" in men's spaces. Passing trans men spout them when they talk about how obviously inappropriate it is for them to use women's spaces. CJ spouts them when talking about not feeling safe in the men's bathroom.
They just refuse to extend this same courtesy to women. In fact, not so long ago, I saw a video about a football team made up entirely of trans men. And they'd made a point of being trans men only so that they wouldn't have to share the locker room with any men and risk feeling "uncomfortable."
Not always. A friend of mine was molested by a man in a public restroom when he was 14. And when he told his mother she accused him of lying. <rolls eyes> La plus ca change...
Exactly. I often point out that the exclusion of men in female spaces extends to gay men and old, frail men and disabled men and even to young boys past the age of 10 or so.
It's not that these men are a threat to women or that they themselves are not in danger in male spaces. It's that the less absolutists a ban on men in women's spaces is, the more likely it is to be meaningless.
Or just separate the predatory ones from the safe ones. Like, a Mark of the Beast that appears on a man's forehead when he approaches women or children. ;) Or *anyone* who's violent.
CJ is concerned for her own safety in the men's room.
Surely those men are just there to pee, like everybody else and if they behave in a threatening manner, get him removed?
CJ is allowed to be scared in semi private spaces with potentially violent males. Transwomen similarly.
But little girls, frail elderly ladies, rape survivors, just plain ordinary everyday women are not.
"Surely those men are just there to pee, like everybody else and if they behave in a threatening manner, get him removed?"
This is what I find most frustrating about all this. The trans activists understand the "TERF" arguments about women's safety perfectly well. Trans women spout them when they talk about feeling "unsafe" in men's spaces. Passing trans men spout them when they talk about how obviously inappropriate it is for them to use women's spaces. CJ spouts them when talking about not feeling safe in the men's bathroom.
They just refuse to extend this same courtesy to women. In fact, not so long ago, I saw a video about a football team made up entirely of trans men. And they'd made a point of being trans men only so that they wouldn't have to share the locker room with any men and risk feeling "uncomfortable."
Not always. A friend of mine was molested by a man in a public restroom when he was 14. And when he told his mother she accused him of lying. <rolls eyes> La plus ca change...
We'd all welcome a way to separate the predatory males away from the innocent people. We can't do that 100% but we can do a bit.
Exactly. I often point out that the exclusion of men in female spaces extends to gay men and old, frail men and disabled men and even to young boys past the age of 10 or so.
It's not that these men are a threat to women or that they themselves are not in danger in male spaces. It's that the less absolutists a ban on men in women's spaces is, the more likely it is to be meaningless.
Or just separate the predatory ones from the safe ones. Like, a Mark of the Beast that appears on a man's forehead when he approaches women or children. ;) Or *anyone* who's violent.