People often resort to name calling as argumentum. I've been called a sexist because of my view on women in combat roles in the military. Two things guide my view. Anyone reading this can tell me why it's sexist if they think so.
1. For a time I lived on a fire support base south of the Que Son Mountain range. A miserable place where we w…
People often resort to name calling as argumentum. I've been called a sexist because of my view on women in combat roles in the military. Two things guide my view. Anyone reading this can tell me why it's sexist if they think so.
1. For a time I lived on a fire support base south of the Que Son Mountain range. A miserable place where we were frequently hit with mortars. That is not the reason. When I got there as advanced party there were no showers. We went to a stream just outside the fire base to bathe. When the higher ups figured out that some of the women there were not there to wash cloths, they decided that we needed a shower. In an open area in the compound, they put some wooden pallets and set up a pipe contraption with holes in it and pumped water from the stream for an hour every day. It was quickly a big mud puddle. We stripped, walked thru the mud, showered walked back thru the mud, dried ourselves and wiped the mud off our feet. The condition of my feet is another story. Women with rotten feet is not the reason either. Where in the hell was there going to be a woman's space?
2. I'm just one person, hardly a valid statistic, but every single woman who has talked about it with me who was in the military told me that they were raped at least once! The people you are supposed to have the tightest bond with raping you! Go back to number 1 and imagine being a young, fit, woman putting your naked body on display regularly in front of a bunch of young, horney jarheads. Splendid idea?
Women deploy now. I don't know how they deal with that, but we were certainly not ready to deal with it back then. I'm sure that the women on the medical staff at China Beach had women's spaces. I never had occasion to talk with them to see if it would change my every one of them metric. Maybe not, I don't know.
Yes, more extreme than in more civilized locations. That's my point, but I still get called a sexist. Men should behave themselves. Yeah right, sure they will.
"I'm just one person, hardly a valid statistic, but every single woman who has talked about it with me who was in the military told me that they were raped at least once"
Jesus. That is absolutely horrific. And more horrific that though I'm surprised, I'm also not surprised. You know?
It's a tough one. I understand why this would lead you to the belief that women shouldn't be in combat roles. And I understand your derision at the idea that men should behave themselves. But the alternative is that women have to forgo opportunities because men can't control themselves.
It's the same logic behind women having to wear the burqa to avoid "inflaming men's desires." Right? Men can't control themselves, so women have to adjust their behaviour and be treated as second-class citizens.
I don't have a simple solution. I'm not under any illusions about men's sexual behaviour changing with sensitivity training or the like. But given that I'd bet most of the men who raped the women you talked to weren't punished, I'd still lean towards pursing a climate where it was easier for women to talk about their sexual assault and where men were more likely to be severely punished for it.
The men who behave that way do so because they get away with it. I do believe it would change if they knew they couldn't.
It's the other side of the coin. Heads, men should stay out of women's spaces because men... Tails, woman don't belong in a worst case no woman's space available.
Both are about the safety of women, because men. I agree that the situation would improve if men were vigorously prosecuted. If is a very big word.
My comment pertained to "You're a [ ]" as a response to stifle an opposing view, the subject of this commentary. Am I a sexist for holding that view? Are you a sexist for your view on men in women's spaces? We are both addressing an unpleasant reality about the danger to women when in compromising spaces with men. It's hard to discuss the issue when the conversation is hijacked by a subject change to the evil of the speaker for daring to express a point of view. The validity of the idea be damned.
"My comment pertained to "You're a [ ]" as a response to stifle an opposing view, the subject of this commentary."
Ah, I see. Yeah, honestly accusations of transphobia (I'm not called a misogynist or a racist very often😄) just completely roll off me at this point. They'e applied so liberally, so lazily, and so reflexively that they're just meaningless.
If I am a [], fine, show me what I'm missing. I'm honestly listening. But if you're just calling me that to guilt me into silence, or you think just shouting at me will msake me take you seriously, then yeah, good luck with that.
I've often wondered what it would take to get the military to clean up its act re women. I can understand why you feel the way you do about women in the military, and I've often wondered why any woman would sign up for it. Rape seems to be pretty widespread in the military, I know of one female Medium veteran who's mentioned her experiences of multiple sexual assault in the military.
It tells you something when the military is supposed to protect all Americans, but thinks half of us are their fucktoys.
It may be changing a bit with more women in the military than while I was on active duty but I think that a big part of the problem is the ratio. In society approximately 50/50 men and women. In the military not even close, women a small minority. Add to that, the toxic indoctrination taking place for those men.
Boot camp call and response cadences like, "I don't know but I've been told. Eskimo pussy is mighty cold." or "This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for killing. This is for fun." Respect for women, oh yeah.
Here's how I feel about the idea of my daughters or granddaughter in the military. Not a good place for them.
Yeah, a friend of mine who joined the Army after he got out of school (he had not choice...they paid for it) would tell me about some of the cadences they did. I didn't say too much at the time. I figured that was just how the military was. I'm a lot less understanding now.
People often resort to name calling as argumentum. I've been called a sexist because of my view on women in combat roles in the military. Two things guide my view. Anyone reading this can tell me why it's sexist if they think so.
1. For a time I lived on a fire support base south of the Que Son Mountain range. A miserable place where we were frequently hit with mortars. That is not the reason. When I got there as advanced party there were no showers. We went to a stream just outside the fire base to bathe. When the higher ups figured out that some of the women there were not there to wash cloths, they decided that we needed a shower. In an open area in the compound, they put some wooden pallets and set up a pipe contraption with holes in it and pumped water from the stream for an hour every day. It was quickly a big mud puddle. We stripped, walked thru the mud, showered walked back thru the mud, dried ourselves and wiped the mud off our feet. The condition of my feet is another story. Women with rotten feet is not the reason either. Where in the hell was there going to be a woman's space?
2. I'm just one person, hardly a valid statistic, but every single woman who has talked about it with me who was in the military told me that they were raped at least once! The people you are supposed to have the tightest bond with raping you! Go back to number 1 and imagine being a young, fit, woman putting your naked body on display regularly in front of a bunch of young, horney jarheads. Splendid idea?
Women deploy now. I don't know how they deal with that, but we were certainly not ready to deal with it back then. I'm sure that the women on the medical staff at China Beach had women's spaces. I never had occasion to talk with them to see if it would change my every one of them metric. Maybe not, I don't know.
Yes, more extreme than in more civilized locations. That's my point, but I still get called a sexist. Men should behave themselves. Yeah right, sure they will.
Women got killed too, but that is not the subject here, but I'll mention it because it matters to me. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/fact-check-why-are-so-few-womens-names-on-the-vietnam-memorial-wall
"I'm just one person, hardly a valid statistic, but every single woman who has talked about it with me who was in the military told me that they were raped at least once"
Jesus. That is absolutely horrific. And more horrific that though I'm surprised, I'm also not surprised. You know?
It's a tough one. I understand why this would lead you to the belief that women shouldn't be in combat roles. And I understand your derision at the idea that men should behave themselves. But the alternative is that women have to forgo opportunities because men can't control themselves.
It's the same logic behind women having to wear the burqa to avoid "inflaming men's desires." Right? Men can't control themselves, so women have to adjust their behaviour and be treated as second-class citizens.
I don't have a simple solution. I'm not under any illusions about men's sexual behaviour changing with sensitivity training or the like. But given that I'd bet most of the men who raped the women you talked to weren't punished, I'd still lean towards pursing a climate where it was easier for women to talk about their sexual assault and where men were more likely to be severely punished for it.
The men who behave that way do so because they get away with it. I do believe it would change if they knew they couldn't.
It's the other side of the coin. Heads, men should stay out of women's spaces because men... Tails, woman don't belong in a worst case no woman's space available.
Both are about the safety of women, because men. I agree that the situation would improve if men were vigorously prosecuted. If is a very big word.
My comment pertained to "You're a [ ]" as a response to stifle an opposing view, the subject of this commentary. Am I a sexist for holding that view? Are you a sexist for your view on men in women's spaces? We are both addressing an unpleasant reality about the danger to women when in compromising spaces with men. It's hard to discuss the issue when the conversation is hijacked by a subject change to the evil of the speaker for daring to express a point of view. The validity of the idea be damned.
"My comment pertained to "You're a [ ]" as a response to stifle an opposing view, the subject of this commentary."
Ah, I see. Yeah, honestly accusations of transphobia (I'm not called a misogynist or a racist very often😄) just completely roll off me at this point. They'e applied so liberally, so lazily, and so reflexively that they're just meaningless.
If I am a [], fine, show me what I'm missing. I'm honestly listening. But if you're just calling me that to guilt me into silence, or you think just shouting at me will msake me take you seriously, then yeah, good luck with that.
I've often wondered what it would take to get the military to clean up its act re women. I can understand why you feel the way you do about women in the military, and I've often wondered why any woman would sign up for it. Rape seems to be pretty widespread in the military, I know of one female Medium veteran who's mentioned her experiences of multiple sexual assault in the military.
It tells you something when the military is supposed to protect all Americans, but thinks half of us are their fucktoys.
It may be changing a bit with more women in the military than while I was on active duty but I think that a big part of the problem is the ratio. In society approximately 50/50 men and women. In the military not even close, women a small minority. Add to that, the toxic indoctrination taking place for those men.
Boot camp call and response cadences like, "I don't know but I've been told. Eskimo pussy is mighty cold." or "This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for killing. This is for fun." Respect for women, oh yeah.
Here's how I feel about the idea of my daughters or granddaughter in the military. Not a good place for them.
https://youtu.be/vtdxBjgCgiw
Yeah, a friend of mine who joined the Army after he got out of school (he had not choice...they paid for it) would tell me about some of the cadences they did. I didn't say too much at the time. I figured that was just how the military was. I'm a lot less understanding now.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/08/11/sexual-assault-survivors-should-be-able-sue-for-damages-judges-rule/