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Chris Fox's avatar

I feel much the same as you here, Steve. Those we call progressives have sunk into the same sort of rigid conformity and orthodoxy as the other side. I believe this is what the other side calls "virtue signaling," showing that neologisms are an affliction at both poles.

But it's not new. The enlightened anti-racists in JFK's time were proud of themselves if they allowed a black person in their house. The bigotry was muted but it was still there.

I'm finding today's symmetries between the two poles to be increasingly disturbing. "Trump won" is no more absurd than "A man who declares one day that he's now a woman *is* a woman." Go against either in your respective group and you're anathema and blocked on social media.

This is not what I signed up for.

Yes Our Side is more open to a breadth of opinions but this orthodoxy seems to be more and more widespread.

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Steve QJ's avatar

"I'm finding today's symmetries between the two poles to be increasingly disturbing"

Yep, absolutely. If it's any consolation, it seems to be a symmetry between two fairly small fringes. Most republicans don't believe Trump won. Most Democrats don't believe men can magically transform into women.

The problem, as this excellent study pointed out years ago (https://hiddentribes.us/media/qfpekz4g/hidden_tribes_report.pdf), is that the silent majority allows the idiots on the left and the right to do all the talking, and therefore, steer the conversation.

Topically enough, this is what's happening with abortion rights, where ~80% of Americans believe abortion should be legal in at least some cases, and the <20% who don't are increasingly getting their way because they're louder and more determined when it counts.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I've read repeatedly that 70% of Republicans—ALL Republicans—believe Trump won the 2020 election. And these are responsible sources, not one coin-flipper being quote and requoted.

And while I see some variation in support for the pro-choice position I have never seen it as high as 80%

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Steve QJ's avatar

The 80% figure is from a recent Gallup poll (https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx). Again, this is support for the idea that abortion should be legal in at least some cases.

Closest I could find for the Trump claim is that 59% of Republicans think it's "important to believe that Trump won" Which is truly fascinating framing!😅 I'd love to see how the poll was designed and find out how they arrived at that wording.

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