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Karen's avatar

Just woman will do 😊

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Theo's avatar

I wasn’t talking about women specifically though, just people who aren’t trans in general?

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Karen's avatar

People who aren't trans are men and women.

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Theo's avatar

I’m having a hard time following your train of thought here. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m working off of a couple assumptions based on your post history. You believe that sex determines your gender, and thus that trans women are actually men and vice versa for trans men. Wouldn’t trans people also fall under the category of β€œmen and women” in that case? If gender is binary and can’t be changed, everyone is either a man or a woman. So how are those two categories helpful for distinguishing trans people from people who are not trans? This is why I find cis to be a useful term.

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Karen's avatar

That is certainly correct. There are only men and women. Trans is used to describe one category, which in itself means you don't need to put a label on the rest of us.

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Carabus problematicus's avatar

Do you believe, as Theo says, that sex determines gender? (I just think that sex is sex, and gender is an exasperating term which has some use in describing social norms but tends to be unhelpful when talking about individuals).

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Karen's avatar

I agree with you, sex is sex and gender just gets in the way.

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Theo's avatar

I understand what you mean now! Thank you for explaining

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