Frank, you’re every bit of a mansplaining tool as Steve.
Listen to some fucking women.
You don’t see how it’s a threat … because
you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.
And you would like to solve this with construction codes: have you read a damn thing about the research and realities of such spaces and how they put women and girls at greater risks than single sex facilities?
You’re quite the pair, and you caught me on an angry day.
I’m going to show a bunch of folks how callous and hubristic you are too.
“ And you would like to solve this with construction codes: have you read a damn thing about the research and realities of such spaces and how they put women and girls at greater risks than single sex facilities?”
I’d actually be very interested in seeing this research if you could stop screeching and insulting for long enough to share it.
I listen to my wife of 42 years, and she agrees with me. Keep biological men out of women's restrooms, but not those with diagnosed gender dysphoria that have been medically transitioned. She agrees that the only way to police it is by the appearance of the person.
Like I said, I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. Frankly, because I am, it is a bit weird that anyone would fear the sex intentions of a biological male that is medically transitioned to a female identity.
You don't seem to understand the construction code point, but it might be over your head.
why the f*ck should biological women have to avoid public bathrooms for women? what would you suggest they do? piss themselves? never go out? wear nappies? Just so that some mentally ill man can use the ladies room?? you disgust me
Let me try again: it is incorrect to treat DSD or any ambiguous genitalia patient as equivalent in any way to Gender Dysphoria. GD patients have zero physical abnormality or impairment. Whereas a baby with DSD may well have external genitalia that are completely opposite of their sex chromosomes (although this type is sooo extremely rare as to be insignificant). The most common type of DSD is 21-hydroxylase deficiency form of Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia. A boy with this is straight up just a boy. A girl with this IS masculinized to varying extents - and they still know they’re girls. GD is all in someone’s mind.
Honestly applied empathy and logic typically lead to the same conclusion as the stats I give elsewhere. Try this...
Imagine living as a woman: 1 in 4 have experienced rape, and 99% sexual aggression to a greater or lesser degree, all the while conscious of an extraordinary strength differential rendering us vulnerable to any one male who tries it on.
Men really seem to struggle to imagine this, so here's a useful analogy...:
You're given a large bag of Maltesers. The vast majority are lovely. But a few of them will make you ill enough to remember the experience for life (these represent abusive experiences stopping just short of attack; we've almost all had these, and many of us remember one when that realisation of our own utter vulnerability hit, and hit hard). Meanwhile, one Malteser in the bag - just one - is cyanide. That would be the violent attacker, whether he's downright evil or mundanely opportunistic. Do you take and eat a Malteser, Frank?
Mixed sex spaces remove women's freedom to mitigate - and get some relief from - the risk we face.
you hit the nail on the head. When all the malteasers look the same, how do you know which one will kill you? you don't- so best not to eat any of them
Those are fake stats from the feminist hive. No, 25% have NOT experienced rape. And 99% experiencing some male attracted to them... wow... that is profound... TRIGGER!
What men are struggling with these days is why the hell they would want a relationship with any female that thinks and acts like you do. Thankfully for you they make good vibrators, porn is free and you can be a vagitarian with all the rights of a married person... just without being able to realize your dream of loving a real dick.
What I find hilarious... generally the females with your views tend to be on the unattractive scale. I have often wondered if adopted radical feminism and misandry is just anger over lack of romantic attention.
You can appear soured and dip ever closer to ad hominem attacks, or you can acknowledge that it is reasonable for women to have places of safety where they can let down their guard whilst performing vulnerable tasks.
Your arguments, when weighed against the need for safety, are comparative luxuries as per Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Please be fair.
NB. These proportions are reflected in corresponding statistics in various other nations.
You could also look into: research into levels of post-transition male violence and the variety of reasons for transitioning including AGP (on the latter, there are some very good firsthand accounts by medically transitioned transwomen eg. Debbie Hayton).
Frank, you’re every bit of a mansplaining tool as Steve.
Listen to some fucking women.
You don’t see how it’s a threat … because
you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.
And you would like to solve this with construction codes: have you read a damn thing about the research and realities of such spaces and how they put women and girls at greater risks than single sex facilities?
You’re quite the pair, and you caught me on an angry day.
I’m going to show a bunch of folks how callous and hubristic you are too.
Enjoy, Frank.
“ And you would like to solve this with construction codes: have you read a damn thing about the research and realities of such spaces and how they put women and girls at greater risks than single sex facilities?”
I’d actually be very interested in seeing this research if you could stop screeching and insulting for long enough to share it.
I listen to my wife of 42 years, and she agrees with me. Keep biological men out of women's restrooms, but not those with diagnosed gender dysphoria that have been medically transitioned. She agrees that the only way to police it is by the appearance of the person.
Like I said, I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. Frankly, because I am, it is a bit weird that anyone would fear the sex intentions of a biological male that is medically transitioned to a female identity.
You don't seem to understand the construction code point, but it might be over your head.
But your wife doesn't have the right to give consent for other women.
Wish I could upvote this more.
Well just stay the hell out of public bathrooms. Problem solved.
why the f*ck should biological women have to avoid public bathrooms for women? what would you suggest they do? piss themselves? never go out? wear nappies? Just so that some mentally ill man can use the ladies room?? you disgust me
What's the alternative if you are afraid of Kaitlin Jenner?
I think Franky boys a bit of an autogynephile fancier!!
Let me try again: it is incorrect to treat DSD or any ambiguous genitalia patient as equivalent in any way to Gender Dysphoria. GD patients have zero physical abnormality or impairment. Whereas a baby with DSD may well have external genitalia that are completely opposite of their sex chromosomes (although this type is sooo extremely rare as to be insignificant). The most common type of DSD is 21-hydroxylase deficiency form of Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia. A boy with this is straight up just a boy. A girl with this IS masculinized to varying extents - and they still know they’re girls. GD is all in someone’s mind.
Honestly applied empathy and logic typically lead to the same conclusion as the stats I give elsewhere. Try this...
Imagine living as a woman: 1 in 4 have experienced rape, and 99% sexual aggression to a greater or lesser degree, all the while conscious of an extraordinary strength differential rendering us vulnerable to any one male who tries it on.
Men really seem to struggle to imagine this, so here's a useful analogy...:
You're given a large bag of Maltesers. The vast majority are lovely. But a few of them will make you ill enough to remember the experience for life (these represent abusive experiences stopping just short of attack; we've almost all had these, and many of us remember one when that realisation of our own utter vulnerability hit, and hit hard). Meanwhile, one Malteser in the bag - just one - is cyanide. That would be the violent attacker, whether he's downright evil or mundanely opportunistic. Do you take and eat a Malteser, Frank?
Mixed sex spaces remove women's freedom to mitigate - and get some relief from - the risk we face.
you hit the nail on the head. When all the malteasers look the same, how do you know which one will kill you? you don't- so best not to eat any of them
Those are fake stats from the feminist hive. No, 25% have NOT experienced rape. And 99% experiencing some male attracted to them... wow... that is profound... TRIGGER!
What men are struggling with these days is why the hell they would want a relationship with any female that thinks and acts like you do. Thankfully for you they make good vibrators, porn is free and you can be a vagitarian with all the rights of a married person... just without being able to realize your dream of loving a real dick.
What I find hilarious... generally the females with your views tend to be on the unattractive scale. I have often wondered if adopted radical feminism and misandry is just anger over lack of romantic attention.
You can appear soured and dip ever closer to ad hominem attacks, or you can acknowledge that it is reasonable for women to have places of safety where they can let down their guard whilst performing vulnerable tasks.
Your arguments, when weighed against the need for safety, are comparative luxuries as per Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Please be fair.
If you ever see this, Frank, perhaps in future try prioritising facts over a comically patronising tone. It would come across better.
Please also share the below with your wife, so she can make informed judgements, too...:
Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):
76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison =
16.8%
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
NB. These proportions are reflected in corresponding statistics in various other nations.
You could also look into: research into levels of post-transition male violence and the variety of reasons for transitioning including AGP (on the latter, there are some very good firsthand accounts by medically transitioned transwomen eg. Debbie Hayton).
https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/