“I believe it is better to die with dignity than to live in servitude and humiliation.”
There is no dignity to be found in something so dishonorable as rape, mutilation and murder of people have done nothing to you except exist, no matter how legitimate your grievance against the government they live under. It is cowardice.
“I believe it is better to die with dignity than to live in servitude and humiliation.”
There is no dignity to be found in something so dishonorable as rape, mutilation and murder of people have done nothing to you except exist, no matter how legitimate your grievance against the government they live under. It is cowardice.
"There is no dignity to be found in something so dishonorable as rape, mutilation and murder of people have done nothing to you"
1000% agree. I make this point to Khalid. If you want to "die with dignity," die. Especially if the alternative is murdering and raping innocent people. The idea that anything Hamas did was dignified or honourable is repulsive.
Hamas was likely trying to trigger Israel’s predictably savage response but by murdering, torturing, and raping innocents they harmed their cause.
Hamas should have attacked the settlers; getting those vile rabble before the cameras and focusing discussion on the theft of Palestinian land would have been much more rewarding.
They didn't just harm their cause, they completely invalidated it. Or, rather, they revealed it. Hamas' cause is to kill all the Jews and eradicate Israel. Neither of those things is gong to be allowed to happen. So while I think the theft of Palestinian land is a completely valid grievance, it's not Hamas' main grievance. And Hamas' actions have only emboldened Israel to steal even more land. It's happening right now in the West Bank with the support of the IDF.
"Hamas' cause is to kill all the Jews and eradicate Israel."
I don't place the significance on this preposterous claim that you do. It would be astonishing if they said anything less. As with Trump's claim of infanticide as abortion, it's intended to excite the listeners, but only a fool believes its true.
People who have buried their children, dead from IDS bullets, or crushed in the rubble of bombed buildings, aren't going to be satisfied hearing anything less.
Sure, the rhetoric gives an easy out to those who see validation in mouthing that "right to exist" garbage, but Hamas isn't going to get any support from them anyway. Their audiences want to hear maximally exteme stuff.
They're not going to destroy Israel, even without the USA bending to every Israeli breeze.
The alternative to attacking Israel is to be overrun and exterminated. And Israel's "mad dog" response to the butchery of 1200 or so has exposed Israel to the world, you won't see much #IStandWithIsrael on social media anymore.
But the savagery of Hamas' attack strengthened the "right to exist" mob (sorry, that absurd phrase annoys the hell out of me).
If Hamas had leveled a few of the settlements then the reaction would have been quite different. For one, the theft of their land is a legitimate Palestinian grievance that not enough people know about. Second, the settlers are repellent and vile people and getting them on camera would do Israel absolutely zero good. Third, the ensuing news-noise would have been about settlements and cruelty, not about raped and tortured women.
It was dumb to attack Israel instead of the settlers.
I mean, Hamas' actions on October 7th lend a degree of credibility to this, no? And interestingly enough, Israel's response has a shocking number of defenders. Even now, with ~17,000 Palestinians dead.
Attacking the settlements (without slaughtering and raping the settlers) would certainly have been more legitimate and would have, as you say, drawn attention to an issue not nearly enough people know about. Funnelling their billions of dollars into Gaza and helping the Palestinian people would have been even better.
But Hamas chose what they chose because it's the best route to what I still believe is they central aim. They might well also have been hoping for the reputational damage that would come from Israel's response. But this also reveals their disdain for the Palestinian people.
I hope you don't think I'm defending Hamas. I think their attack was stupid, atop everything else that was bad about it.
Agreed they don't care much for the Palestinians. They knew Israel would monstrously over-retaliate and pile the bodies up to the sky and did it anyway.
"without slaughtering and raping the settlers"
They could at least have not fired missiles as schools and hospitals, taken pains to spare children, and, yes, absolutely, refrained from rape. But there would have been "collateral damage," a term I hate as much as you do.
“I believe it is better to die with dignity than to live in servitude and humiliation.”
There is no dignity to be found in something so dishonorable as rape, mutilation and murder of people have done nothing to you except exist, no matter how legitimate your grievance against the government they live under. It is cowardice.
"There is no dignity to be found in something so dishonorable as rape, mutilation and murder of people have done nothing to you"
1000% agree. I make this point to Khalid. If you want to "die with dignity," die. Especially if the alternative is murdering and raping innocent people. The idea that anything Hamas did was dignified or honourable is repulsive.
Hamas was likely trying to trigger Israel’s predictably savage response but by murdering, torturing, and raping innocents they harmed their cause.
Hamas should have attacked the settlers; getting those vile rabble before the cameras and focusing discussion on the theft of Palestinian land would have been much more rewarding.
"they harmed their cause"
They didn't just harm their cause, they completely invalidated it. Or, rather, they revealed it. Hamas' cause is to kill all the Jews and eradicate Israel. Neither of those things is gong to be allowed to happen. So while I think the theft of Palestinian land is a completely valid grievance, it's not Hamas' main grievance. And Hamas' actions have only emboldened Israel to steal even more land. It's happening right now in the West Bank with the support of the IDF.
"Hamas' cause is to kill all the Jews and eradicate Israel."
I don't place the significance on this preposterous claim that you do. It would be astonishing if they said anything less. As with Trump's claim of infanticide as abortion, it's intended to excite the listeners, but only a fool believes its true.
People who have buried their children, dead from IDS bullets, or crushed in the rubble of bombed buildings, aren't going to be satisfied hearing anything less.
Sure, the rhetoric gives an easy out to those who see validation in mouthing that "right to exist" garbage, but Hamas isn't going to get any support from them anyway. Their audiences want to hear maximally exteme stuff.
They're not going to destroy Israel, even without the USA bending to every Israeli breeze.
The alternative to attacking Israel is to be overrun and exterminated. And Israel's "mad dog" response to the butchery of 1200 or so has exposed Israel to the world, you won't see much #IStandWithIsrael on social media anymore.
But the savagery of Hamas' attack strengthened the "right to exist" mob (sorry, that absurd phrase annoys the hell out of me).
If Hamas had leveled a few of the settlements then the reaction would have been quite different. For one, the theft of their land is a legitimate Palestinian grievance that not enough people know about. Second, the settlers are repellent and vile people and getting them on camera would do Israel absolutely zero good. Third, the ensuing news-noise would have been about settlements and cruelty, not about raped and tortured women.
It was dumb to attack Israel instead of the settlers.
"but only a fool believes its true."
I mean, Hamas' actions on October 7th lend a degree of credibility to this, no? And interestingly enough, Israel's response has a shocking number of defenders. Even now, with ~17,000 Palestinians dead.
Attacking the settlements (without slaughtering and raping the settlers) would certainly have been more legitimate and would have, as you say, drawn attention to an issue not nearly enough people know about. Funnelling their billions of dollars into Gaza and helping the Palestinian people would have been even better.
But Hamas chose what they chose because it's the best route to what I still believe is they central aim. They might well also have been hoping for the reputational damage that would come from Israel's response. But this also reveals their disdain for the Palestinian people.
I hope you don't think I'm defending Hamas. I think their attack was stupid, atop everything else that was bad about it.
Agreed they don't care much for the Palestinians. They knew Israel would monstrously over-retaliate and pile the bodies up to the sky and did it anyway.
"without slaughtering and raping the settlers"
They could at least have not fired missiles as schools and hospitals, taken pains to spare children, and, yes, absolutely, refrained from rape. But there would have been "collateral damage," a term I hate as much as you do.
"I hope you don't think I'm defending Hamas."
Oh, no, of course not. I know you better than that.