Wow! I'm not aware of skin bleaching in Thailand though years ago I knew a woman who powdered her face to excess.
Given Vietnam's history, French colonialism and American military involvement it is hard for me to imagine a political fetish for white Western beauty standards. From what I have read, the left behind children fathered by Amer…
Wow! I'm not aware of skin bleaching in Thailand though years ago I knew a woman who powdered her face to excess.
Given Vietnam's history, French colonialism and American military involvement it is hard for me to imagine a political fetish for white Western beauty standards. From what I have read, the left behind children fathered by Americans were not treated well. That would of course have been political.
There does seem to be a worldwide preference among many for "lighter." I still wonder about white supremacy claims pertaining to that. Am I just blind to it as a white man, even though I am probably atypical on my side about race?
Hopefully I haven't gone on a tangent from Steve's topic but I do think the broadend scope of white supremacism beyond the aftermath of trans-Atlantic slavery may have some truth that I may be missing. I can't just automatically dismiss it, even though I see it often as hyperbole.
"There does seem to be a worldwide preference among many for "lighter." I still wonder about white supremacy claims pertaining to that. Am I just blind to it as a white man, even though I am probably atypical on my side about race?"
I wouldn't call it white supremacy- colorism has a long history in East Asia. My parents, and other elders I've asked have generally attributed it to classism: darker skin = poor people working outside, lighter skin = rich people inside protected from the sun. I think Asian cultures' long history of favoring hierarchical organizational structures probably exacerbates the classism in some way as well, but that's personal speculation.
I've been trying to recall some good sources of reading about the topic, but frustratingly enough the majority of English-language sources or documentation that Google is serving me is stuff that was only written in the last five-to-ten years and either focused on Asian-Americans or trying to blame it all on western colonialism (or both). This is frustrating so I'm going to look deeper when I've got more free time.
The shallowness and superficiality in the middle and upper classes is hard to imagine here.
The traditional Vietnamese music is being driven out by pop, truly terrible pop; the western stuff is crap nobody over 14 in the USA would listen to, but it's still better than the Vietnamese pop, where all melodies are arpeggios and all tonality is tonic-dominant.
Dark skin is so deprecated that it eliminates any employment above labor.
"Dark skin is so deprecated that it eliminates any employment above labor."
Do you think this is something mostly seen between Vietnamese people? When I visited Vietnam, I was really struck by how curious people were about the colour of my skin. But it was wholly positive. They were fascinated by it, they kept telling me how beautiful it was, lots of people wanted photos with me or just to chat (though that might have been about speaking English).
There seems to be a marked divide when it comes to racism in parts of Asia, where older people are more likely to be very openly racist, but below 40 or so, people are unusually celebratory of differences.
Oh man, that's sad. I sometimes listened to Vietnamese radio in the 60s. Beautiful music. The vocals were melodic though I never learned any Vietnamese words that had no military purpose i enjoyed it. I don't need to say what some of the Americans had to say about that ;0(
I like some of the traditional music because it's tonally foreign and very modal. Some modes have a single quarter tone. But it doesn't reach m as it does them.
But the traditional music is only rural now and even here there is a lot of dreary techno. In western-influenced pop they like extremely simple tonality; half the songs sound like The Godfather theme, Aeolian mode (A to a on the white keys)
There were six different traditional modes, three are now extinct. I have a sepia photo of blind musicians who went from village to village performing ... it's dated 1906.
If you were hearing ejoyable singers they were probably Filipino. as are most live performers. Almost all Vietnamese are completely tone deaf.
I do like modal music. As a banjo player I like music classified as Americana which is a blend of origins (Afro Caribbean and European), like America. The blues pentatonic is formed by dropping the semitones from Phrygian so it kinda sorta survives. Dorian is a more popular minor scale than Aeolian and Mixolydian is popular in music I like. I do have an attachment to a tonic home base and never got into atonal music though I'm fine with key changes to the dominant fifth. Music is the most wonderful thing in the world and it is sad what is happening to it.
Years ago, I worked with a guy who composed electronic atonal music. I had no way to judge if it was good or bad. He was a percussionist away from electronic music.
When I mentioned Phrygian it was with reference to its basis for pentatonic mode 1. I really only hear it from Middle Eastern sounding music as a complete modal scale.
My proudest: The Forces, Dawn of Comprehension. Forces starting at 2:44 I am very proud of. Strands has some of that hybrid modal stuff.
My goal: Brooding. Very well-liked.
Greatness of Rome is about the Trionfi, the returning triumphal armies.
Gone came out of a dream.
Some silly techno just for practice (Pinhasoid came out quite good), some covers (George Harrison, Bartók, Eno); the Bartók is quintal chords, I saw it live in 1973 and it changed my life. Second Piano Concerto, Adagio,
I am redoing Forces with some development. As you can hear, I need work on production and mastering.
Stuff to do today and haven't listened to all of it but I like what you've done on what I've listened to. I need to listen again and in what did he do here mode rather than just enjoy the music mode.
I'll politely disagree. Other than a black key scale having no semitones (critical to the concept of anhemitonic (nonhemitonic, no half steps) pentatonics it's way of looking at its usefulness ends there. The five pentatonic modes are positively modal.
The second semitone following a note (7th) in Lydian and Ionian is the tonic so there is no associated pentatonic mode.
Pentatonic Mode 1 is formed by dropping the semitones from Phrygian. Often thought of as blues minor.
Pentatonic Mode 2 is formed by dropping the semitones from Mixolydian. A major sounding scale. Popular in country and pop.
Pentatonic Mode 3 is formed by dropping the semitones from Aeolian.
Pentatonic Mode 4 is formed by dropping the semitones from Locrian. Not a popular pentatonic mode because of its tri-tone sans dominant 5th.
Pentatonic Mode 5 is formed by dropping the semitones from Dorian. It yields a scale that is neither Major or minor and is often used in music thought of as modal in old-time music.
Modes 1, 2 & 5 are the most popular of the pentatonic modes, at least in the US.
And yeah, the Locrian tri-tone (the devil's interval) was a no-no back then.
I just noodled around with that Super Locrian. Adding the Major 3rd makes the absence of the dominant 5th less jarring and a somewhat exotic sounding scale. Kind of cool. Thanks for mentioning it.
Wow! I'm not aware of skin bleaching in Thailand though years ago I knew a woman who powdered her face to excess.
Given Vietnam's history, French colonialism and American military involvement it is hard for me to imagine a political fetish for white Western beauty standards. From what I have read, the left behind children fathered by Americans were not treated well. That would of course have been political.
There does seem to be a worldwide preference among many for "lighter." I still wonder about white supremacy claims pertaining to that. Am I just blind to it as a white man, even though I am probably atypical on my side about race?
Hopefully I haven't gone on a tangent from Steve's topic but I do think the broadend scope of white supremacism beyond the aftermath of trans-Atlantic slavery may have some truth that I may be missing. I can't just automatically dismiss it, even though I see it often as hyperbole.
"There does seem to be a worldwide preference among many for "lighter." I still wonder about white supremacy claims pertaining to that. Am I just blind to it as a white man, even though I am probably atypical on my side about race?"
I wouldn't call it white supremacy- colorism has a long history in East Asia. My parents, and other elders I've asked have generally attributed it to classism: darker skin = poor people working outside, lighter skin = rich people inside protected from the sun. I think Asian cultures' long history of favoring hierarchical organizational structures probably exacerbates the classism in some way as well, but that's personal speculation.
I've been trying to recall some good sources of reading about the topic, but frustratingly enough the majority of English-language sources or documentation that Google is serving me is stuff that was only written in the last five-to-ten years and either focused on Asian-Americans or trying to blame it all on western colonialism (or both). This is frustrating so I'm going to look deeper when I've got more free time.
The shallowness and superficiality in the middle and upper classes is hard to imagine here.
The traditional Vietnamese music is being driven out by pop, truly terrible pop; the western stuff is crap nobody over 14 in the USA would listen to, but it's still better than the Vietnamese pop, where all melodies are arpeggios and all tonality is tonic-dominant.
Dark skin is so deprecated that it eliminates any employment above labor.
"Dark skin is so deprecated that it eliminates any employment above labor."
Do you think this is something mostly seen between Vietnamese people? When I visited Vietnam, I was really struck by how curious people were about the colour of my skin. But it was wholly positive. They were fascinated by it, they kept telling me how beautiful it was, lots of people wanted photos with me or just to chat (though that might have been about speaking English).
There seems to be a marked divide when it comes to racism in parts of Asia, where older people are more likely to be very openly racist, but below 40 or so, people are unusually celebratory of differences.
I just mentioned skin bleaching to my wife with reference to Thailand and she said, "Yeah, they do that. They want to be white." Sad.
Oh man, that's sad. I sometimes listened to Vietnamese radio in the 60s. Beautiful music. The vocals were melodic though I never learned any Vietnamese words that had no military purpose i enjoyed it. I don't need to say what some of the Americans had to say about that ;0(
I like some of the traditional music because it's tonally foreign and very modal. Some modes have a single quarter tone. But it doesn't reach m as it does them.
But the traditional music is only rural now and even here there is a lot of dreary techno. In western-influenced pop they like extremely simple tonality; half the songs sound like The Godfather theme, Aeolian mode (A to a on the white keys)
There were six different traditional modes, three are now extinct. I have a sepia photo of blind musicians who went from village to village performing ... it's dated 1906.
If you were hearing ejoyable singers they were probably Filipino. as are most live performers. Almost all Vietnamese are completely tone deaf.
I do like modal music. As a banjo player I like music classified as Americana which is a blend of origins (Afro Caribbean and European), like America. The blues pentatonic is formed by dropping the semitones from Phrygian so it kinda sorta survives. Dorian is a more popular minor scale than Aeolian and Mixolydian is popular in music I like. I do have an attachment to a tonic home base and never got into atonal music though I'm fine with key changes to the dominant fifth. Music is the most wonderful thing in the world and it is sad what is happening to it.
Kids growing up now have no incentive to want to take part in music though electronic composition is really hot.
It makes me wonder, daily, who is going to play the contrabassoon in the orchestra in 25 years?
I compose a lot in a hybrid Lydian/Mixolydian:
C D E F♯ G A B♭ C
Dorian is really popular in blues but I'm not sure I've ever heard much Phrygian, except from the blimp in Bladerunner.
Years ago, I worked with a guy who composed electronic atonal music. I had no way to judge if it was good or bad. He was a percussionist away from electronic music.
When I mentioned Phrygian it was with reference to its basis for pentatonic mode 1. I really only hear it from Middle Eastern sounding music as a complete modal scale.
Is any of your music in the internet?
Sorry Steve, music detour.
"Sorry Steve, music detour."
😁 Detour away, I'm a musician myself.
Yeah. https://soundcloud.com/cheopys
My proudest: The Forces, Dawn of Comprehension. Forces starting at 2:44 I am very proud of. Strands has some of that hybrid modal stuff.
My goal: Brooding. Very well-liked.
Greatness of Rome is about the Trionfi, the returning triumphal armies.
Gone came out of a dream.
Some silly techno just for practice (Pinhasoid came out quite good), some covers (George Harrison, Bartók, Eno); the Bartók is quintal chords, I saw it live in 1973 and it changed my life. Second Piano Concerto, Adagio,
I am redoing Forces with some development. As you can hear, I need work on production and mastering.
Stuff to do today and haven't listened to all of it but I like what you've done on what I've listened to. I need to listen again and in what did he do here mode rather than just enjoy the music mode.
I start with a single simple idea and permute it. For The Forces it’s two notes, E and F
Actually pentatonic is completely distinct from modes. The black keys are a pentatonic scale and orthogonal to the modes.
In the Middle Ages you could be executed for playing in Locrian, B to b on the white keys.
Robert Fripp showed me Super Locrian, B C D E♭ F G A B
I'll politely disagree. Other than a black key scale having no semitones (critical to the concept of anhemitonic (nonhemitonic, no half steps) pentatonics it's way of looking at its usefulness ends there. The five pentatonic modes are positively modal.
The second semitone following a note (7th) in Lydian and Ionian is the tonic so there is no associated pentatonic mode.
Pentatonic Mode 1 is formed by dropping the semitones from Phrygian. Often thought of as blues minor.
Pentatonic Mode 2 is formed by dropping the semitones from Mixolydian. A major sounding scale. Popular in country and pop.
Pentatonic Mode 3 is formed by dropping the semitones from Aeolian.
Pentatonic Mode 4 is formed by dropping the semitones from Locrian. Not a popular pentatonic mode because of its tri-tone sans dominant 5th.
Pentatonic Mode 5 is formed by dropping the semitones from Dorian. It yields a scale that is neither Major or minor and is often used in music thought of as modal in old-time music.
Modes 1, 2 & 5 are the most popular of the pentatonic modes, at least in the US.
And yeah, the Locrian tri-tone (the devil's interval) was a no-no back then.
I just noodled around with that Super Locrian. Adding the Major 3rd makes the absence of the dominant 5th less jarring and a somewhat exotic sounding scale. Kind of cool. Thanks for mentioning it.