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Steve QJ's avatar

""J" appears to have been duped, maybe even by himself."

Yeah, I think this is precisely it. I wouldn't really characterise J as "woke," just confused (although I guess you could argue that all "woke" people are confused😅). And struggling to unravel a web of personal insecurities, lingering societal norms, and the complexities of raising a child.

There are lots of pathways into this ideological thinking. But I think J's motivations are far from "propagating hyper toxic behaviors" or "the revolutionary destruction of capitalism and western civilization."

I thought the conversation was valuable precisely because J lays out his motivations quite honestly. He doesn't think black people get enough credit (or perhaps thinks white people get too much). He worries about the impact this is having on his son's self-image. I think his approach will only make his son more insecure (and may actually be the source of his son's insecurity), but I understand where that insecurity comes from.

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Chris Fox's avatar

You credit the SJWs with a coherence for which I see no evidence.

The SJWs make the MAGA beards look like the very essence of openmindedness.

Please, don't ever call them "left."

https://bit.ly/3QjxzeH

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I think that the reason people, including me, get caught up in associating the [no proper word for them] who are a far cry from classical liberalism is the obvious cultural (oppressed/oppressor) Marxism of intersectionality. Left not being liberalism but something recognized by all of my friends who fled communism. Political labels are corrupted to the point of uselessness except for naming an enemy.

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Chris Fox's avatar

My own politics falls more into a leftist authoritarianism tempered by benevolence. The fact that we can't do anything about mass extinction, AGW, or guns because freedumb makes me long for a trustworthy dictator, which is of course a fantasy,

To those who revere freedom my advice is to go to a mall and see what splendid use we're making of it.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I used to joke that the ideal government would be a benevolent dictatorship with me as the benevolent dictator. Authoritarianism tempered by benevolence seems too difficult to achieve in practice thanks to the imperfection of humans.

The struggle is between an authoritarian government which seems to become tyrannical with all that power over others, and anarchy which becomes the realm favorable to the mighty and violent. Opinions, string ones, vary about there a happy medium can be found.

I once lived under a somewhat leftist authoritarian government as a United States Marine. While it worked, it also didn't.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I think trying to see ideological coherence in SJWism is akin to seeing a face in a cloud. I seriously doubt hardly any of them go beyond mere outrage.

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