Oh god you are so wrong. The only thing so many gays had against SSM was tjat they knew it would take the esteem away from the promiscuity. That bathhouses didn't close in 1982 was as solid a condemnation of the immaturity of gay culture as cigarettes are for capitalism.
You sneer-quote "relationships." Wow. I've been with the same guy si…
Oh god you are so wrong. The only thing so many gays had against SSM was tjat they knew it would take the esteem away from the promiscuity. That bathhouses didn't close in 1982 was as solid a condemnation of the immaturity of gay culture as cigarettes are for capitalism.
You sneer-quote "relationships." Wow. I've been with the same guy since the mid 90s, we went to 6the USA and got married in san Jose in 2017.
I've never been much for gay culture and my various lovers and I have known a lot of heterosexual couples. exact same issues, exact same conflicts, exact same everything.
You must have felt all special being oart of the marginal enclave culture, I never did. I only went to the clubs to find guys to fuck., and even then it was only for about a year and a half in my 40s. Later I met them online. No cigarettes.
I was married to a woman for 32 years. My marriage was nothing like the gay relationship I have today. My partner and I are planing to get married but the only reason is for tax purposes. Everything else we already have covered.
I disagree with your perspective. The old joke "Grindr is the best place to find a husband. That's where I found all of yours!" applies.
And I only got married (heterosexually) after living together for 7 years, but when I needed insurance coverage. Gay and straight marriages both vary greatly. I don't see a solid basis for characterizing them as nothing like each other, as categorically different in ways that affect the institution of marriage.
You of course are free to so characterize you own marriages that way, but having two marriages differ greatly is not unique to your situation. Chris' marriage might be more similar in substantial aspects to your marriage to a woman. Your pattern is not close to universal.
Oh god you are so wrong. The only thing so many gays had against SSM was tjat they knew it would take the esteem away from the promiscuity. That bathhouses didn't close in 1982 was as solid a condemnation of the immaturity of gay culture as cigarettes are for capitalism.
You sneer-quote "relationships." Wow. I've been with the same guy since the mid 90s, we went to 6the USA and got married in san Jose in 2017.
I've never been much for gay culture and my various lovers and I have known a lot of heterosexual couples. exact same issues, exact same conflicts, exact same everything.
You must have felt all special being oart of the marginal enclave culture, I never did. I only went to the clubs to find guys to fuck., and even then it was only for about a year and a half in my 40s. Later I met them online. No cigarettes.
I was married to a woman for 32 years. My marriage was nothing like the gay relationship I have today. My partner and I are planing to get married but the only reason is for tax purposes. Everything else we already have covered.
I disagree with your perspective. The old joke "Grindr is the best place to find a husband. That's where I found all of yours!" applies.
And I only got married (heterosexually) after living together for 7 years, but when I needed insurance coverage. Gay and straight marriages both vary greatly. I don't see a solid basis for characterizing them as nothing like each other, as categorically different in ways that affect the institution of marriage.
You of course are free to so characterize you own marriages that way, but having two marriages differ greatly is not unique to your situation. Chris' marriage might be more similar in substantial aspects to your marriage to a woman. Your pattern is not close to universal.