“Im not sure why you moved to using the term “fact”. No trans person would deny the fact of their genetics”
You sweet summer child 😅 Yes, actually I’ve had several conversations (and seen countless more) with people who deny the most fundamental aspects of their biology. But yes, you’re right about my use of the word “facts”. Much better would have been “immutable characteristics that cannot change.”
For the overwhelming majority of people, “man” and “woman” are immutable characteristics, equivalent to being a male or female human. Just as a vixen is equivalent to being a female fox and rooster is equivalent to being a male chicken.
And just to circle back to your earlier claim. Even if I accepted that being a woman was nothing to do with your biology but whether you present as “sugar and spice” (do you not see that the nursery rhyme is the position the “woman is a feeling” side is taking?) there’s now increasing debate about whether trans women are female. Even though the only prerequisite for being a trans woman is that you are NOT female.
We are passionately agreeing on everything. I doubt you disagree that there are characteristics that culture has of a woman and man that have nothing to do with genetics.
The nursery rhyme is just an old example.
In fact, different cultures different in many of the characteristics of woman and man. Regardless, they don't believe a man can become a woman - a.l.a. Matt Walsh What is a woman. A very large majority of world doesn't believe that a man can become a woman or vice-versa. That will never change.
I went to a conservative Lutheran Christian grade school in a conservative Christian community.
My “Christian” identity is a fact not a choice. It is the dominant identity I had to work to understand.
Yes identities can include choices - especially choices after puberty.
Im not sure why you moved to using the term “fact”. No trans person would deny the fact of their genetics. That’s not being argued.
What is being argued is how much genetics determine whether a person is a man or woman or other for that matter.
How the dominant culture perceives and man and woman in many cases has nothing to do with their genetics.
This classic nursery rhyme proves that in spades.
What are little boys made of?
What are little boys made of?
Snips, snails
And puppy-dogs' tails
That's what little boys are made of
What are little girls made of?
What are little girls made of?
Sugar and spice
And all things nice
That's what little girls are made of.
“Im not sure why you moved to using the term “fact”. No trans person would deny the fact of their genetics”
You sweet summer child 😅 Yes, actually I’ve had several conversations (and seen countless more) with people who deny the most fundamental aspects of their biology. But yes, you’re right about my use of the word “facts”. Much better would have been “immutable characteristics that cannot change.”
For the overwhelming majority of people, “man” and “woman” are immutable characteristics, equivalent to being a male or female human. Just as a vixen is equivalent to being a female fox and rooster is equivalent to being a male chicken.
And just to circle back to your earlier claim. Even if I accepted that being a woman was nothing to do with your biology but whether you present as “sugar and spice” (do you not see that the nursery rhyme is the position the “woman is a feeling” side is taking?) there’s now increasing debate about whether trans women are female. Even though the only prerequisite for being a trans woman is that you are NOT female.
We are passionately agreeing on everything. I doubt you disagree that there are characteristics that culture has of a woman and man that have nothing to do with genetics.
The nursery rhyme is just an old example.
In fact, different cultures different in many of the characteristics of woman and man. Regardless, they don't believe a man can become a woman - a.l.a. Matt Walsh What is a woman. A very large majority of world doesn't believe that a man can become a woman or vice-versa. That will never change.
A very large majority of the world is right.