Sigh. People's perceptions have gotten seriously detached from reality. A lot of passionate neo-progressives believe that Rittenhouse killed black people, that he was a known white supremacist, and that he was spraying bullets into the crowd. All of those are false. As for the third of those, Rittenhouse did not shoot or attempt to …
Sigh. People's perceptions have gotten seriously detached from reality. A lot of passionate neo-progressives believe that Rittenhouse killed black people, that he was a known white supremacist, and that he was spraying bullets into the crowd. All of those are false. As for the third of those, Rittenhouse did not shoot or attempt to shoot anybody who was not actively physically attacking him or threatening him with a weapon. If he had wanted to kill innocent people, it would have been easy; instead he did his best to escape instead.
Watching video of earlier in the evening, the protesters/rioters/arsonists (they are not the same, but they were mixed up together) were confronting the armed folks standing in front of the auto sales building (including Rittenhouse), who came to protect property, by invitation. The protesters did not look at all intimidated or in fear, but were quite aggressive. I did not see the armed folks point rifles at the protesters, though. It didn't get serious until Rosenbaum chased Rittenhouse saying he was going to kill the kid, and tried to grab the rifle - at which point Rittenhouse shot him, but then tried to run away from the crowd/mob, rather than being terrorist. He later shot somebody who had hit him in the head with a skateboard and tried to get the rifle, and somebody who pointed a handgun at him. In both cases, Rittenhouse stopped firing after the threat stopped (one shot each in the latter cases). To call that terrorism is way out of touch with reality. But if you want to stay in the neo-progressive tribe, you have to atleast pretend to believe it was white supremacist terrorism. Facts have no weight.
"A lot of passionate neo-progressives believe that Rittenhouse killed black people, that he was a known white supremacist, and that he was spraying bullets into the crowd."
That isn't psychosis. They're just uninformed and filling in the gaps with their biases.
I agree. I don't believe that I called it psychosis; it's not my nature to sling around a word like that. But it is becoming seriously detached from reality, via ideology and rampant confirmation bias.
"During a period of psychosis, a person's thoughts and perceptions are disturbed and the individual may have difficulty understanding what is real and what is not. Symptoms of psychosis include delusions (false beliefs) and hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that others do not see or hear)."
All that you have done is assert that one way to be out of touch with reality is through psychosis, which we can agree with. But nothing in your description implies that psychosis is thereby the ONLY way one can become detached from reality.
Another would be dementia due to aging and degenerative brain diseases. Yet another would be delerium, a short term process caused by medical issues and which will clear up once those issues are treated. And I believe that some ideologies, in particular those which emphasize the subjective over the objective and dogmatic attachement to Reinforcing the Narrative above adherence to the truth, can also result in detachment from reality.
By your reasoning, a doctor might say "I see you have a fever; the description of West Nile virus includes fever which sounds like your symptoms, so I conclude that you must thereby have West Nile virus". I would not return to a doctor who so reasoned.
West Nile => Fever is not synonymous with Fever => West Nile.
As an example of detachment from the real world, a large portion of self-identified liberals put their estimate of how many unarmed black people are killed by police at 10s to 1000s of times higher than the actual rates. That's seriously detached from reality, but it's not psychosis. On the other side, amazing numbers of people believe that Trump won the last election in a landslide victory, which I would claim to also be very disturbingly detached from reality - but still not thereby meeting the criteria for psychotic.
Your saying in effect that "well, since psychotic people can also be detached from reality, it follows that you are calling anybody detached from reality psychotic" is not defensible reasoning. I hope you will withdraw that logically problematic argument upon deeper consideration.
Sigh. People's perceptions have gotten seriously detached from reality. A lot of passionate neo-progressives believe that Rittenhouse killed black people, that he was a known white supremacist, and that he was spraying bullets into the crowd. All of those are false. As for the third of those, Rittenhouse did not shoot or attempt to shoot anybody who was not actively physically attacking him or threatening him with a weapon. If he had wanted to kill innocent people, it would have been easy; instead he did his best to escape instead.
Watching video of earlier in the evening, the protesters/rioters/arsonists (they are not the same, but they were mixed up together) were confronting the armed folks standing in front of the auto sales building (including Rittenhouse), who came to protect property, by invitation. The protesters did not look at all intimidated or in fear, but were quite aggressive. I did not see the armed folks point rifles at the protesters, though. It didn't get serious until Rosenbaum chased Rittenhouse saying he was going to kill the kid, and tried to grab the rifle - at which point Rittenhouse shot him, but then tried to run away from the crowd/mob, rather than being terrorist. He later shot somebody who had hit him in the head with a skateboard and tried to get the rifle, and somebody who pointed a handgun at him. In both cases, Rittenhouse stopped firing after the threat stopped (one shot each in the latter cases). To call that terrorism is way out of touch with reality. But if you want to stay in the neo-progressive tribe, you have to atleast pretend to believe it was white supremacist terrorism. Facts have no weight.
100% facts. It's amazing that so many people are having trouble putting this together.
"A lot of passionate neo-progressives believe that Rittenhouse killed black people, that he was a known white supremacist, and that he was spraying bullets into the crowd."
That isn't psychosis. They're just uninformed and filling in the gaps with their biases.
I agree. I don't believe that I called it psychosis; it's not my nature to sling around a word like that. But it is becoming seriously detached from reality, via ideology and rampant confirmation bias.
"During a period of psychosis, a person's thoughts and perceptions are disturbed and the individual may have difficulty understanding what is real and what is not. Symptoms of psychosis include delusions (false beliefs) and hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that others do not see or hear)."
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/schizophrenia/raise/what-is-psychosis#:~:text=During%20a%20period%20of%20psychosis,do%20not%20see%20or%20hear).
Sounds synonymous with "detachment from reality" to me
Chris, please rethink that reasoning.
All that you have done is assert that one way to be out of touch with reality is through psychosis, which we can agree with. But nothing in your description implies that psychosis is thereby the ONLY way one can become detached from reality.
Another would be dementia due to aging and degenerative brain diseases. Yet another would be delerium, a short term process caused by medical issues and which will clear up once those issues are treated. And I believe that some ideologies, in particular those which emphasize the subjective over the objective and dogmatic attachement to Reinforcing the Narrative above adherence to the truth, can also result in detachment from reality.
By your reasoning, a doctor might say "I see you have a fever; the description of West Nile virus includes fever which sounds like your symptoms, so I conclude that you must thereby have West Nile virus". I would not return to a doctor who so reasoned.
West Nile => Fever is not synonymous with Fever => West Nile.
As an example of detachment from the real world, a large portion of self-identified liberals put their estimate of how many unarmed black people are killed by police at 10s to 1000s of times higher than the actual rates. That's seriously detached from reality, but it's not psychosis. On the other side, amazing numbers of people believe that Trump won the last election in a landslide victory, which I would claim to also be very disturbingly detached from reality - but still not thereby meeting the criteria for psychotic.
Your saying in effect that "well, since psychotic people can also be detached from reality, it follows that you are calling anybody detached from reality psychotic" is not defensible reasoning. I hope you will withdraw that logically problematic argument upon deeper consideration.