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Chris Fox's avatar

Two thirds of gun deaths are suicides and firearm suicide is 90% effective; other forms, 10%. Cut your wrists you are likelier to cripple your hands than die.

About 41% (last I checked) of Americans own guns, yet there are 3-400 million of them in private possession, which means a lot of people own arsenals, in no way defensible as self-protection. Some people went out and bought five new guns every time Obama got something through Congress. People like that are sick, sick, sick.

I never said it was be easy, not with the intensity of fanaticism around them, even having one's children murdered doesn't shake RKBA devotion much. What I did say is that we have to start now, and I don't mean performative crap like raising the assault rifle age to 21, I mean a great restriction on ownership. At the time you could mail order them we didn't have tens of millions of clinically insane people one trigger away from turning kindergartners into hamburger.

OK so you have known some fundamentalists who were not crazy. So have I. But we both know better than to be on the next one we meet being sane and reasonable.

The abortion thing: this is garbage. Same people who say aborting an eight-cell blastula is murder will stridently oppose a nickel of tax on Elon the Mess to keep the born baby fed for a week. This is just own-the-libs/conservative-membership stuff, like Trump Won.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

Of the successful suicides in my world, one was a firearm, the others; single vehicle "accident" (left room for doubt for his family), poison, pills (overdose), and one hanging. Where there is a will, there is a way.

With regard to arsenals. Many gun owners own more than one gun. Hunters will typically own a .22 rimfire for small game and inexpensive plinking, a shotgun (birds and other game), a high-powered bolt action rifle for large game, a pistol for protection, a semiautomatic sporter rifle for many utility occasions (hunters are moving away from bolt actions). That's five and a common number for hunters. Some people collect more like guitar players collect guitars. You might call that an arsenal, but I wouldn't.

An obstacle that I see for gun control is the obsession with "assault weapons." You are more likely to be killed by fist, feet or other personal weapons than any rifle, let alone a so-called assault rifle. When I was on active duty there was nothing with that designation in the military, it is a political phrase. For some people it is cosmetics. Black, looks military, has a detachable magazine, etc. where the restrictions are absurd. The real desire is to ban semiautomatic firearms in general, but probably something like 90% of the firearms sold today are semiautomatic. Will the taxpayers reimburse gun owners for the banned 400 million banned guns, or will the government just steal them?

I agree with you that some people shouldn't have them. How do we identify them? There are many people designated as prohibited possessors, felons etc. They buy stolen ones on the street or have their girlfriend carry it for them. Implementation is largely a failure.

The devil is in the details.

The anti-abortion crowd has a very powerful tool, ultrasound and pictures of the legally aborted that undeniably look like little humans. Cute as puppies and kittens. I see that more as vicious emotional punishment of women who had abortions for good reason than a preventative. Ending abortions is as vain a goal as getting rid of lethal weapons. They have both been with us for all of recorded history and will continue to be so.

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