Oh, this! It is galling to admit that a person or ideology is correct about something (anything), but we have seen it happen right here. But this is a bit of an oasis in the internet desert, thanks to the people attracted to your work.
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Oh, this! It is galling to admit that a person or ideology is correct about something (anything), but we have seen it happen right here. But this is a bit of an oasis in the internet desert, thanks to the people attracted to your work.
Roman couldn't comprehend the idea that you could find truth from the lips of a "creep". He's not here to defend himself so that's all I'll say about him, except that as you wrote, he seems to be employing a common filter of late. He just happened to be an example that you chose from a large pool.
I recently watched an interview of Katherine Dee by Tucker Carlson. It was a shocking experience: Tucker came across as reasonable, friendly, and kind. Perhaps because he was sympathetic to the interviewee, who knows. I was shocked because I had never actually watched Carlson before, unless you count clips of him on Twitter that are ridiculing him. I've had a specifically negative & dismissive outlook on him for years, with literally no evidence to back it up, other than those clips.
The interview did not suddenly make me a Tucker fan, of course. Those clips of him are still in my mind, and those clips do include his actual words and perspective, and there is a lot of distance between his politics and mine (especially re. Ukraine). But watching that interview made me realize that as supposedly open-minded & anti-woke as I consider myself to be (while still identifying as both an old school progressive & classical liberal), I was living with this blind spot: I refused to even try to understand why someone like Tucker could be so well-liked that he became the most popular tv personality in the U.S. I don't think it's only because the folks who love him just love him due to wanting to own libs (although that may be a part of the equation for some)... but probably more because they find him to be a relatable person with reasonable opinions.
Maybe Tucker is a creep, maybe he isn't. At this point, unless I watch more of him in full, I actually don't feel comfortable saying what he is. Because I don't know and I don't really have to right to pigeonhole him until I do actually watch more of him. And because, as you say, I found truth fall from the lips of this supposed creep, one who literally all of my social & professional milieu despise (not so much my familial milieu though, lotta Tucker-lovers over there LOL).
Funnily enough, this interview encapsulates exactly why I loathe Tucker Carlson.๐
You don't get to be as successful as he is without being smart, politically savvy, and empathetic. I have no doubt that Tucker possesses all of these gifts and more. And he demonstrates them in this video. But then you watch him on Fox News, (where most of the clips you've seen are probably from) and you see somebody who uses these gifts in the worst possible way. To manipulate and fear-monger. To drive his listeners into a frenzy against the ubiquitous "them."
Somebody like Alex Jones, for example, could never be more than he is. So it's hard to generate much feeling about him. He's a sad, repugnant little man who told whatever lie he thought would keep him relevant. But Carlsen, *could* be something more. He could be this version of himself on Fox News every night. He could still criticise the Democrats, but he could tell the truth as he did it. He could restrain the worst impulses of his fans. He could be honest about Jan 6th and the harm that the extremes of Conservative rhetoric are causing. He has nothing to lose by doing so, but he doesn't.
An interesting perspective on Tucker, one that sounds about right to me. To challenge (or even just engage) you on your perspective, I'd probably have to actually watch him on Fox News to see if I disagree or agree with you. Sadly, I don't think I have the intestinal fortitude to do that LOL. Those clips are enough for me!
Only tangentially related, but my general finger-click response to Tucker is about the same as it is for Chris Hayes and for Rachel Maddow when she was on MSNBC (unless she's already returned). If I see any of those folks, I just change the channel. Although that was for when I even watched the news, which now I avoid except during elections.
Haha, believe me, youโre not missing much by not watching him on Dox News. I do so only out of necessity. Also, youโre the second person to mention Rachel Maddow in the same breath as Tucker Carlson. I think Iโll need to check her out.
I hope this (an expression from my wife) doesn't go in your ears wrong. Politicians and political pundits are all about hyperbole and bs when it suits them. Just my opinion/observation but what people most dislike about the ones on "the other side" is not the lies they tell, but the truths because the truth often hurts. Sometimes they are telling truths or giving perspective we don't like. It's ready to call out the bs. The uncomfortable truths, not so much.
I ๐ฉ๐ง๐ฎ to understand, rather than judge, when it comes to people. I emphasized try because I am human, complete with emotions which often leads to judgement and worse.
My world is and has been highly diverse in culture/subculture, ideology, religion and worldview as well as "racially". It has given me an intimate view of them. While I don't agree with all of that, I usually can empathize and hopefully have some understanding of it.
One thing that I see a lot of is, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Enemies are often the result of resentment.
The working-class conservatives (poorly educated basket of deplorables who cling to their guns and bibles) in flyover country resent the hell out of the contempt that so often comes from arrogant liberals. When a Trump, Carlson or Palin comes along and gives their nemesis the finger, they like it, actually they love it. They don't really fail to see their flaws but "๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ช๐ด ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ง๐ณ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ."
There is enough truth in that that the left is easily lampooned, ridiculed and memed from sites like https://babylonbee.com/ Liberals often resent that. That site was removed from Twitter during the pre-Musk silencing of such things (they're back).
I could give more examples, but that is enough to make the point, I hope. I think that far fewer are blind to the flaws in their own ๐ด๐ช๐ฅ๐ฆ than we believe, but resentment allows them to be ignored. Aaaand, resentment is an emotion and emotion is king, contrary to what people wish to believe about themselves.
Some basics from my time living in Saudi Arabia. "๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ช๐ด ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ง๐ณ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ." and "๐๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฑ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ ๐ง๐ณ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ด ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฆ๐ด ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ๐ณ." Distressing to big space Americans, they took close seriously and sat touching each other. You can feel a sudden attack before you see it.
Most of the world embraces the folly of the first and ignores the wisdom of the second, living in silos of what is often misconception of their ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฆ๐ด.
I'm so glad you watched it! I was also very impressed with Katherine's compassion and her goal of understanding how the nihilism of one could be a marker for a much wider phenomenon.
And well said Nona, about our collective avoidance of hard truths.
As much as I despise conservatives you can imagine how uncomfortable I feel finding myself with a point of agreement with them. Then again I don't feel I am part of the other "tribe" and therefore am not obliged to disagree with everything they say.
But this "trans" thing is just a way to get attention and I am sick and tired of it. No, I don't think taking kids to drag shows is going to warp them, but then I don't think hitting a keyboard with a penis is some pivotal social advance, either.
"๐ช๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฐ๐ฏ โ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ด๐ช๐ฅ๐ฆโ?"
Oh, this! It is galling to admit that a person or ideology is correct about something (anything), but we have seen it happen right here. But this is a bit of an oasis in the internet desert, thanks to the people attracted to your work.
Roman couldn't comprehend the idea that you could find truth from the lips of a "creep". He's not here to defend himself so that's all I'll say about him, except that as you wrote, he seems to be employing a common filter of late. He just happened to be an example that you chose from a large pool.
I recently watched an interview of Katherine Dee by Tucker Carlson. It was a shocking experience: Tucker came across as reasonable, friendly, and kind. Perhaps because he was sympathetic to the interviewee, who knows. I was shocked because I had never actually watched Carlson before, unless you count clips of him on Twitter that are ridiculing him. I've had a specifically negative & dismissive outlook on him for years, with literally no evidence to back it up, other than those clips.
The interview did not suddenly make me a Tucker fan, of course. Those clips of him are still in my mind, and those clips do include his actual words and perspective, and there is a lot of distance between his politics and mine (especially re. Ukraine). But watching that interview made me realize that as supposedly open-minded & anti-woke as I consider myself to be (while still identifying as both an old school progressive & classical liberal), I was living with this blind spot: I refused to even try to understand why someone like Tucker could be so well-liked that he became the most popular tv personality in the U.S. I don't think it's only because the folks who love him just love him due to wanting to own libs (although that may be a part of the equation for some)... but probably more because they find him to be a relatable person with reasonable opinions.
Maybe Tucker is a creep, maybe he isn't. At this point, unless I watch more of him in full, I actually don't feel comfortable saying what he is. Because I don't know and I don't really have to right to pigeonhole him until I do actually watch more of him. And because, as you say, I found truth fall from the lips of this supposed creep, one who literally all of my social & professional milieu despise (not so much my familial milieu though, lotta Tucker-lovers over there LOL).
If you're curious about the interview:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HN9PCOz9wq0N/
The interview also made me a fan of Katherine Dee (she was recently interviewed on BARpod). She has a Substack as well:
https://defaultfriend.substack.com/
Funnily enough, this interview encapsulates exactly why I loathe Tucker Carlson.๐
You don't get to be as successful as he is without being smart, politically savvy, and empathetic. I have no doubt that Tucker possesses all of these gifts and more. And he demonstrates them in this video. But then you watch him on Fox News, (where most of the clips you've seen are probably from) and you see somebody who uses these gifts in the worst possible way. To manipulate and fear-monger. To drive his listeners into a frenzy against the ubiquitous "them."
Somebody like Alex Jones, for example, could never be more than he is. So it's hard to generate much feeling about him. He's a sad, repugnant little man who told whatever lie he thought would keep him relevant. But Carlsen, *could* be something more. He could be this version of himself on Fox News every night. He could still criticise the Democrats, but he could tell the truth as he did it. He could restrain the worst impulses of his fans. He could be honest about Jan 6th and the harm that the extremes of Conservative rhetoric are causing. He has nothing to lose by doing so, but he doesn't.
An interesting perspective on Tucker, one that sounds about right to me. To challenge (or even just engage) you on your perspective, I'd probably have to actually watch him on Fox News to see if I disagree or agree with you. Sadly, I don't think I have the intestinal fortitude to do that LOL. Those clips are enough for me!
Only tangentially related, but my general finger-click response to Tucker is about the same as it is for Chris Hayes and for Rachel Maddow when she was on MSNBC (unless she's already returned). If I see any of those folks, I just change the channel. Although that was for when I even watched the news, which now I avoid except during elections.
Haha, believe me, youโre not missing much by not watching him on Dox News. I do so only out of necessity. Also, youโre the second person to mention Rachel Maddow in the same breath as Tucker Carlson. I think Iโll need to check her out.
I hope this (an expression from my wife) doesn't go in your ears wrong. Politicians and political pundits are all about hyperbole and bs when it suits them. Just my opinion/observation but what people most dislike about the ones on "the other side" is not the lies they tell, but the truths because the truth often hurts. Sometimes they are telling truths or giving perspective we don't like. It's ready to call out the bs. The uncomfortable truths, not so much.
"easy to call out bs" my phone doesn't let me edit. Away from my computer on a visit with extended family.
I ๐ฉ๐ง๐ฎ to understand, rather than judge, when it comes to people. I emphasized try because I am human, complete with emotions which often leads to judgement and worse.
My world is and has been highly diverse in culture/subculture, ideology, religion and worldview as well as "racially". It has given me an intimate view of them. While I don't agree with all of that, I usually can empathize and hopefully have some understanding of it.
One thing that I see a lot of is, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Enemies are often the result of resentment.
The working-class conservatives (poorly educated basket of deplorables who cling to their guns and bibles) in flyover country resent the hell out of the contempt that so often comes from arrogant liberals. When a Trump, Carlson or Palin comes along and gives their nemesis the finger, they like it, actually they love it. They don't really fail to see their flaws but "๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ช๐ด ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ง๐ณ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ."
"๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ ๐ช๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ข๐ด ๐ด๐ฐ ๐ข๐ฃ๐ด๐ถ๐ณ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ญ๐บ ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฆ๐ญ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ค๐ต๐ถ๐ข๐ญ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ญ๐ช๐ฆ๐ท๐ฆ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฎ; ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฏ๐ข๐ณ๐บ ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ ๐ฃ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ถ๐ค๐ฉ ๐ข ๐ง๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ญ." -๐๐ฆ๐ฐ๐ณ๐จ๐ฆ ๐๐ณ๐ธ๐ฆ๐ญ๐ญ
There is enough truth in that that the left is easily lampooned, ridiculed and memed from sites like https://babylonbee.com/ Liberals often resent that. That site was removed from Twitter during the pre-Musk silencing of such things (they're back).
I could give more examples, but that is enough to make the point, I hope. I think that far fewer are blind to the flaws in their own ๐ด๐ช๐ฅ๐ฆ than we believe, but resentment allows them to be ignored. Aaaand, resentment is an emotion and emotion is king, contrary to what people wish to believe about themselves.
Some basics from my time living in Saudi Arabia. "๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ช๐ด ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ง๐ณ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ." and "๐๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฑ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ ๐ง๐ณ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ด ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ณ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฆ๐ด ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ๐ณ." Distressing to big space Americans, they took close seriously and sat touching each other. You can feel a sudden attack before you see it.
Most of the world embraces the folly of the first and ignores the wisdom of the second, living in silos of what is often misconception of their ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฆ๐ด.
I'm so glad you watched it! I was also very impressed with Katherine's compassion and her goal of understanding how the nihilism of one could be a marker for a much wider phenomenon.
And well said Nona, about our collective avoidance of hard truths.
As much as I despise conservatives you can imagine how uncomfortable I feel finding myself with a point of agreement with them. Then again I don't feel I am part of the other "tribe" and therefore am not obliged to disagree with everything they say.
But this "trans" thing is just a way to get attention and I am sick and tired of it. No, I don't think taking kids to drag shows is going to warp them, but then I don't think hitting a keyboard with a penis is some pivotal social advance, either.