"the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began."
Yep, agreed. I haven't claimed otherwise. Efforts to "help" black people have largely failed and in many cases have made matters worse. That doesn't mean the desire to make those efforts was flawed. Just the methods used.
I think that a critical element of helping any group is to not stop them of their dignity.
Fifty plus years ago there was the 235 program that subsidized the price of a home and payment for poor people. It was widely believed that it was just for black people but that was not true. My mother got a home thru that program.
When I lived in Georgia I saw a "black" 235 neighborhood. A neatly kept nice neighborhood. I believe that the difference was pride in ownership where the housing projects in St Louis where I grew up failed.
DEI, or whatever name is given to such things need to be free of stigma. I in no way think that is easy since people are quick to claim tokenism. If nothing else, like 235, it gave opportunity for the poor or black people to prove themselves.
"the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began."
Yep, agreed. I haven't claimed otherwise. Efforts to "help" black people have largely failed and in many cases have made matters worse. That doesn't mean the desire to make those efforts was flawed. Just the methods used.
I think that a critical element of helping any group is to not stop them of their dignity.
Fifty plus years ago there was the 235 program that subsidized the price of a home and payment for poor people. It was widely believed that it was just for black people but that was not true. My mother got a home thru that program.
When I lived in Georgia I saw a "black" 235 neighborhood. A neatly kept nice neighborhood. I believe that the difference was pride in ownership where the housing projects in St Louis where I grew up failed.
DEI, or whatever name is given to such things need to be free of stigma. I in no way think that is easy since people are quick to claim tokenism. If nothing else, like 235, it gave opportunity for the poor or black people to prove themselves.