You know what? You're right. I don't know your motives. But you've spent (an extremely long) time telling me your views. And everything you've said so far suggests that a) you haven't thought about these issues very clearly at all. And b) to the extent you have thought about them, you side firmly with the bigots.
You know what? You're right. I don't know your motives. But you've spent (an extremely long) time telling me your views. And everything you've said so far suggests that a) you haven't thought about these issues very clearly at all. And b) to the extent you have thought about them, you side firmly with the bigots.
But I might be wrong. So let's find out.
You keep saying you're all for not discriminating, but as far as I can see, you haven't suggested anything that might prevent it other than what is effectively a "wait and see" approach. So let's figure out what you're *for* with regards to ending discrimination with the following question.
Black people were forced, by law, to live as second (or third) class citizens in America. After the end of slavery (where they essentially built the entire country and supported the economy for free), they had no access to resources, jobs or power.
White people, most of whom considered them worthless subhumans, had control of absolutely everything. If you were in charge at that time, what would you have done about that?
Wow, really? You hadn’t considered that black people couldn’t boycott businesses they weren’t allowed into? You hadn’t thought it through even that far? Hopefully you see why I said you hadn’t thought about this from the point of view of the victims of bigotry.
It’s also worth noting that the only “coercion” that actually led to civil war was when the south was “coerced” into not keeping black people as slaves. Boycotts probably wouldn’t have worked then either…
This is the point I’ve been trying to make to you this whole time. It’s fine to be against coercion. I am too. Sincerely. But you have to consider what you’re weighing it against. I was getting frustrated with you precisely because it was obvious you’d spent a lot of time worrying about the *potential* harm to racists and next to none thinking about to fix the *actual* harm being done to black people.
"I thought I did - boycotts. They proved pretty damn effective throughout history."
So your solution, in a world where black people are not allowed to frequent white-only businesses, or attend white-only schools, is for black people to boycott those businesses and schools?
You know what? You're right. I don't know your motives. But you've spent (an extremely long) time telling me your views. And everything you've said so far suggests that a) you haven't thought about these issues very clearly at all. And b) to the extent you have thought about them, you side firmly with the bigots.
But I might be wrong. So let's find out.
You keep saying you're all for not discriminating, but as far as I can see, you haven't suggested anything that might prevent it other than what is effectively a "wait and see" approach. So let's figure out what you're *for* with regards to ending discrimination with the following question.
Black people were forced, by law, to live as second (or third) class citizens in America. After the end of slavery (where they essentially built the entire country and supported the economy for free), they had no access to resources, jobs or power.
White people, most of whom considered them worthless subhumans, had control of absolutely everything. If you were in charge at that time, what would you have done about that?
Wow, really? You hadn’t considered that black people couldn’t boycott businesses they weren’t allowed into? You hadn’t thought it through even that far? Hopefully you see why I said you hadn’t thought about this from the point of view of the victims of bigotry.
It’s also worth noting that the only “coercion” that actually led to civil war was when the south was “coerced” into not keeping black people as slaves. Boycotts probably wouldn’t have worked then either…
This is the point I’ve been trying to make to you this whole time. It’s fine to be against coercion. I am too. Sincerely. But you have to consider what you’re weighing it against. I was getting frustrated with you precisely because it was obvious you’d spent a lot of time worrying about the *potential* harm to racists and next to none thinking about to fix the *actual* harm being done to black people.
"I thought I did - boycotts. They proved pretty damn effective throughout history."
So your solution, in a world where black people are not allowed to frequent white-only businesses, or attend white-only schools, is for black people to boycott those businesses and schools?
Do you see the problem here?