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Peaceful Dave's avatar

"𝘡𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘹 𝘡𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘒𝘴𝘴π˜ͺ𝘨𝘯𝘦π˜₯ 𝘒𝘡 𝘣π˜ͺ𝘳𝘡𝘩"

Arrrgg! Send some spit to 23andme. If the report includes your paternal haplogroup you are male. It is not passed down the female line. Maleness is not assigned at birth, it is determined at conception.

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Chris Fox's avatar

Everyone in the womb begins with female plumbing, and at some early point each male is bathed in androgen, stimulating physical and neurological changes. The clitoris is homologous to the penis, the brain develops differently.

When there are mixed-gender fraternal twins the female fetus can get a touch of this and she will potentially appear more masculine than most girls but not enough to be mistaken for a boy.

However there is a rare condition called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome in which the male fetus doesn't react as he should and who comes out even so feminine as to be mistaken for a girl. It takes a chromosome analysis to be certain. I've seen a few of these as adults; they are feminine in a way that no gay man can emulate, with subcutaneous fat and without thickened facial bones.

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Mark Miles's avatar

Many complex health problems have biological, psychological and social dimensionsβ€”biopsychosocial. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is an example where the unique biology dominates the picture. In some cases of complete AIS, these are phenotypic females who only find out they have an XY chromosome when they don’t start having menstrual periods at puberty.

When I started to hear ostensible mental health experts say that gender is simply a social construct, I had trouble finding an adjective to describe how professionally ignorant that is. Stupid is too weak an adjective. It can only be some sort of group reinforced delusion.

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Chris Fox's avatar

Group-reinforced delusions are all the rage right now and not only in gender ideology.

One would expect better from mental health professionals. But then, Freeman Dyson, who was with Einstein at Princeton IAS, was an AGW denier.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

That's a good explanation of physical sex characteristics development in the womb, as well as deviation from expected norms. It leads me to think that this is also where genuine gender dysphoria takes place. You used the word rare, which is why it is justifiable to call the current trans phenomenon a fad.

I mentioned the chromosome-based presence or absence of an identifiable paternal haplogroup because that chromosome comes from the father at conception which is why I opined that sex is determined at conception. Both males and females are subject to complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (PAIS) [micro-penis for the female]. I think, but don't know, that gender dysphoria is related where brain development is affected, rather than genital development. Question: does homosexuality tie into this?

I see no reason to assign a value judgement to the occurrence of any of these conditions. Because of the fact that they are rare, less rare for homosexuality, they are often thought to be abnormalities which unjustifiably comes with baggage. A fad, rather than syndrome based, embrace of transsexuality imposes that baggage unnecessarily which does make it seem harmful to me.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I would guess that homosexuality is so constant across time and culture that it's as much of an equilibrium as anything could be. Regardless of acceptance or the health of the parents or any other discernible factor.

I don't know how constant dysphoria is but the literature calls it one in 30,000 male / 100,000 female births, and at present we are being told about a thousand times that albeit by people who have an aggressive agenda and a marked disinterest in truth. And, as in the title above, an indifference to logic.

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Mark Miles's avatar

Stemming from Freud’s a-scientific theories of human libidinal emotions--- oral, anal, phallic, oedipal-- the psychological sciences have been too disconnected from the neuropsychological basis of human sexuality, which is why ridiculous ideas like β€œgender is a social construct” can be entertained.

The science of human sexuality is extraordinarily complex, and very incomplete. One example from the excellent, but dense: Panksepp, Jaak; Biven, Lucy. The Archaeology of Mind: Neuroevolutionary Origins of Human Emotions (Norton Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology) (p. 282). W. W. Norton & Company. Kindle Edition.:

β€œSexuality is further complicated (especially at the tertiary-process level for humans) because the sexual body and the sexual brain develop along different trajectories in utero. The male brain is created when testosterone is converted to estrogen and the male body is created when testosterone is converted to DHT. All fetal bodies are initially female and if there is no interference, the female body will continue to develop. The female brain and mind, however, may be masculinized if the fetus is exposed to too much estrogen at crucial times in the second trimester.”

Anyhow, you can get a flavor from that paragraph how criminally undereducated these professional bodies are that are caught up in promoting pharmaceutical and surgical gender β€œtransition” in children.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

"All fetal bodies are initially female and π˜ͺ𝘧 𝘡𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 π˜ͺ𝘴 𝘯𝘰 π˜ͺ𝘯𝘡𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘀𝘦, the female body will 𝘸π˜ͺ𝘭𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘡π˜ͺ𝘯𝘢𝘦 𝘡𝘰 π˜₯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘰𝘱. The female brain and mind, however, may be masculinized π˜ͺ𝘧 𝘡𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘦𝘡𝘢𝘴 π˜ͺ𝘴 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦π˜₯ to too much estrogen at crucial times in the second trimester.”

Key point, they 𝒅𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒍𝒐𝒑 in accordance with the X or Y chromosome they receive at conception π’Šπ’‡ 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆 π’Šπ’” 𝒏𝒐 π’Šπ’π’•π’†π’“π’‡π’†π’“π’†π’π’„π’†.

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