I love this part:
But many women choose not to do any of these things. I'm sure this requires energy sometimes. Society undoubtedly puts pressure on them to conform. But they're not trans. They're women. Just women who say, "I will do what I want, thank you."
I've never heard a satisfactory explanation of what "binary" is in terms of gen…
But many women choose not to do any of these things. I'm sure this requires energy sometimes. Society undoubtedly puts pressure on them to conform. But they're not trans. They're women. Just women who say, "I will do what I want, thank you."
I've never heard a satisfactory explanation of what "binary" is in terms of gender, which is why "non binary" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. you've written about it, and I see it as not conforming to stereotypical traits. but hasn't part of our evolution as society been to move past these stereotypes? when I was a kid, a girl who liked sports was a "tomboy". then it became pretty accepted that there was no reason why a girl shouldn't like sports just as much as boys. now, the pendulum has swung further back the other way to the point that when a girl is into sports, people wonder if she's non-conforming, or trans! and the same thing is happening with race relations - so-called progressives are now championing forms of segregation!
“I've never heard a satisfactory explanation of what "binary" is in terms of gender,”
And I don’t think you ever will😅 The whole concept is completely incoherent, as evidenced by countless conversations with non-binary people. They just don’t like the stereotypes (which is understandable) and don’t realise that they’re at least 100 years to late for “subverting” them be a revolutionary act.
Non-binary is simply the open refusal to claim a gender. The rub as Steve points out is that few claim a gender in the first place. Most people just simply are themselves.
To me, it just comes down the gendered language. Generally people who claim to be non-binary are mostly interested in forcing others to specifically use language which is shaped around that identity (i.e. the rejection of s/he pronouns). Thus, the non-binary are deeply wedded to the concept of identity groups and want everyone around them to stroke their ego and reinforce their chosen group membership (the group that rejects gender stereotypes).
Exactly. I have been trying to understand what a non-binary person is for a long time. I’ve read pages and pages and still have zero understanding. We know that sex is determined in utero (xx, xy). We can describe and know what constitutes sexual orientation. We can describe and understand sex-based stereotypes and how soundly they have been rejected by both men and women. But what is non-binary? I read Laurels thousands of words in her attempt to help me get to understanding but I remain as baffled as ever. Is it a philosophical statement? A social statement? A political statement? Or is it based on attributes with a definition? The problem for me is here in Oregon, the state asks on your drivers license application to check male, female or non-binary. If it is essentially meaningless, then anyone can check that box and if we all can, then why are we asking for sex/gender in the first place? The point, is that gender identity ideology has moved so rapidly into the mainstream (can’t get more mainstream than getting a drivers license) while it is still in the cultural and society testing out phase to see whether this helps society and individuals in any concrete way or it’s just a phase and reality will win out.
I love this part:
But many women choose not to do any of these things. I'm sure this requires energy sometimes. Society undoubtedly puts pressure on them to conform. But they're not trans. They're women. Just women who say, "I will do what I want, thank you."
I've never heard a satisfactory explanation of what "binary" is in terms of gender, which is why "non binary" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. you've written about it, and I see it as not conforming to stereotypical traits. but hasn't part of our evolution as society been to move past these stereotypes? when I was a kid, a girl who liked sports was a "tomboy". then it became pretty accepted that there was no reason why a girl shouldn't like sports just as much as boys. now, the pendulum has swung further back the other way to the point that when a girl is into sports, people wonder if she's non-conforming, or trans! and the same thing is happening with race relations - so-called progressives are now championing forms of segregation!
“I've never heard a satisfactory explanation of what "binary" is in terms of gender,”
And I don’t think you ever will😅 The whole concept is completely incoherent, as evidenced by countless conversations with non-binary people. They just don’t like the stereotypes (which is understandable) and don’t realise that they’re at least 100 years to late for “subverting” them be a revolutionary act.
Non-binary is simply the open refusal to claim a gender. The rub as Steve points out is that few claim a gender in the first place. Most people just simply are themselves.
To me, it just comes down the gendered language. Generally people who claim to be non-binary are mostly interested in forcing others to specifically use language which is shaped around that identity (i.e. the rejection of s/he pronouns). Thus, the non-binary are deeply wedded to the concept of identity groups and want everyone around them to stroke their ego and reinforce their chosen group membership (the group that rejects gender stereotypes).
Exactly. I have been trying to understand what a non-binary person is for a long time. I’ve read pages and pages and still have zero understanding. We know that sex is determined in utero (xx, xy). We can describe and know what constitutes sexual orientation. We can describe and understand sex-based stereotypes and how soundly they have been rejected by both men and women. But what is non-binary? I read Laurels thousands of words in her attempt to help me get to understanding but I remain as baffled as ever. Is it a philosophical statement? A social statement? A political statement? Or is it based on attributes with a definition? The problem for me is here in Oregon, the state asks on your drivers license application to check male, female or non-binary. If it is essentially meaningless, then anyone can check that box and if we all can, then why are we asking for sex/gender in the first place? The point, is that gender identity ideology has moved so rapidly into the mainstream (can’t get more mainstream than getting a drivers license) while it is still in the cultural and society testing out phase to see whether this helps society and individuals in any concrete way or it’s just a phase and reality will win out.