Your murder story is confusing. I don't think anything about Israel's murderous brutality needs a prelude.
I don't think people are indifferent to this; we're seeing several trends coming together in the worst way.
1) ๐๐ฎ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฎ๐ Atrocities everywhere, Trump grabbing the news cycle, people are exhausted, mass shootings. Wโฆ
Your murder story is confusing. I don't think anything about Israel's murderous brutality needs a prelude.
I don't think people are indifferent to this; we're seeing several trends coming together in the worst way.
1) ๐๐ฎ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฎ๐ Atrocities everywhere, Trump grabbing the news cycle, people are exhausted, mass shootings. We live in a fucking slaughterhouse and take refuge in entertainment.
2) ๐๐จ๐ซ๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐ค๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ฌ Making value judgments is what the religious right does. We don't want to be like them, do we? Everything is subjective, isn't it? Besides, their neighbors hate them (I can't imagine why) and, as GWB recited so many times, Izrl hazzarat to DEFENN isself, doesn't it?
3) ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ "I'm a conservative, therefore I unreservedly support Israel." "I'm "woke so I unreservedly suppport the Palestinians" Neither giving a moment's thought to what they're endorsing. Aside: I've known both at Microsoft and elsewhere; some Israelis are fine people, most are arrogant shits I wouldn't throw a life preserver to. Most Muslims I've known were such polite and gracious people that I felt like an asshole. Some are cold and distant to others not of their faith. I'll take the Muslims. And the worst I have heard about Israel comes from friends who live there or who visited.
I could name others. I've followed Netanyahu over half my life, and he's on my top five list of People Who Need Their Heads Ventilated. He is a monstrously bad man, and the settlers who control the government deserve a Holocaust like my great-grandparents died in.
Personal: my sister, whom I have never been close to despite years of attempts, has decided that since three of our grandparents were unobservant Jews that she is now Jewish, taking the ceremonies of conversion (though for reasons unknown to me, I am not supposed to call it that). She doesn't believe in God any more than I do, it's just her newest clique. She's always been about cliques.
In my mind, even opposing Trump personally but voting Republican means endorsing the destruction of the natural kingdom and the destruction of democracy; to become a Jew at this time is tantamount to taking the limbs off a Palestinian child. She is dead to me now. Whichever us us survives the other will not be attending the other's funeral.
Sad, but at 70 most people unclutter their lives of people who are not helping, Bye, Liz, thanks a lot mocking my stutter in front of your clique in high school. Move to the West Bank and fuck off.
"Your murder story is confusing. I don't think anything about Israel's murderous brutality needs a prelude."
I think there are an awful lot of people (I've spoken to many of them), some of whom even argue the Zionist side passionately, who know next-to-nothing about the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Many people only started paying attention on Oct 7th. So I think it's useful to give each article something of an "on ramp."
As for indifference, again, I've spoken to a lot of people who are more or-less indifferent. Not necessarily because they're bad people, but because, as you say, there's a degree of outrage fatigue, especially for a conflict halfway around the world that's been raging for 76 years.
Almost everybody who takes a clear-headed look at the facts ends up at least recognising that Israel's fanaticism is the main obstacle to peace here. But thanks to the enormous bias in the media, and, of course, Hamas' brutality being smeared across all Palestinian people, communicating the facts is very challenging.
Your murder story is confusing. I don't think anything about Israel's murderous brutality needs a prelude.
I don't think people are indifferent to this; we're seeing several trends coming together in the worst way.
1) ๐๐ฎ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฎ๐ Atrocities everywhere, Trump grabbing the news cycle, people are exhausted, mass shootings. We live in a fucking slaughterhouse and take refuge in entertainment.
2) ๐๐จ๐ซ๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐ค๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ฌ Making value judgments is what the religious right does. We don't want to be like them, do we? Everything is subjective, isn't it? Besides, their neighbors hate them (I can't imagine why) and, as GWB recited so many times, Izrl hazzarat to DEFENN isself, doesn't it?
3) ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ "I'm a conservative, therefore I unreservedly support Israel." "I'm "woke so I unreservedly suppport the Palestinians" Neither giving a moment's thought to what they're endorsing. Aside: I've known both at Microsoft and elsewhere; some Israelis are fine people, most are arrogant shits I wouldn't throw a life preserver to. Most Muslims I've known were such polite and gracious people that I felt like an asshole. Some are cold and distant to others not of their faith. I'll take the Muslims. And the worst I have heard about Israel comes from friends who live there or who visited.
I could name others. I've followed Netanyahu over half my life, and he's on my top five list of People Who Need Their Heads Ventilated. He is a monstrously bad man, and the settlers who control the government deserve a Holocaust like my great-grandparents died in.
Personal: my sister, whom I have never been close to despite years of attempts, has decided that since three of our grandparents were unobservant Jews that she is now Jewish, taking the ceremonies of conversion (though for reasons unknown to me, I am not supposed to call it that). She doesn't believe in God any more than I do, it's just her newest clique. She's always been about cliques.
In my mind, even opposing Trump personally but voting Republican means endorsing the destruction of the natural kingdom and the destruction of democracy; to become a Jew at this time is tantamount to taking the limbs off a Palestinian child. She is dead to me now. Whichever us us survives the other will not be attending the other's funeral.
Sad, but at 70 most people unclutter their lives of people who are not helping, Bye, Liz, thanks a lot mocking my stutter in front of your clique in high school. Move to the West Bank and fuck off.
"Your murder story is confusing. I don't think anything about Israel's murderous brutality needs a prelude."
I think there are an awful lot of people (I've spoken to many of them), some of whom even argue the Zionist side passionately, who know next-to-nothing about the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Many people only started paying attention on Oct 7th. So I think it's useful to give each article something of an "on ramp."
As for indifference, again, I've spoken to a lot of people who are more or-less indifferent. Not necessarily because they're bad people, but because, as you say, there's a degree of outrage fatigue, especially for a conflict halfway around the world that's been raging for 76 years.
Almost everybody who takes a clear-headed look at the facts ends up at least recognising that Israel's fanaticism is the main obstacle to peace here. But thanks to the enormous bias in the media, and, of course, Hamas' brutality being smeared across all Palestinian people, communicating the facts is very challenging.
The thing theyโre fanatics about is Arabs not being allowed to do this stuff: