I'm already well-familiar with the past evils of Christianity and Judaism; last night after my arrival at my family's in the States a brief topic of conversation is, "Why We Understand Why Some People Have Hated the Jews." I said anyone who had to live with them in Biblical times sure had good reason, based on the Old Testament. And as a…
I'm already well-familiar with the past evils of Christianity and Judaism; last night after my arrival at my family's in the States a brief topic of conversation is, "Why We Understand Why Some People Have Hated the Jews." I said anyone who had to live with them in Biblical times sure had good reason, based on the Old Testament. And as a Pagan I can speak up one side and down the other about the evils of Christianity. But...neither of those religions is actively launching terrorist attacks. If you look at the research in that article, it shows rather a lot of support for terrorism, Hamas, laws that hate one people dear to liberals' hearts, etc. Now, maybe those surveys aren't right; I don't know. Surveys aren't the most reliable sources of information, and people will sometimes give what they think is the 'right' answer (or the ones they think will make their people look better to the rest of the world). There's just too much support for terrorism, and I keep thinking of how many times they've turned down a two-state solution. So yeah, I suspect virtue signalling. But I could be wrong.
Not convinced it's just 'a few hundred men', frankly.
“They” didn’t turn down a two-state solution any more than you pulled out of the Paris accords or implemented a Muslim ban.
If you have a minute, check out this video on Palestinian feelings towards Jews and Israel. There’s a range of responses, they certainly aren’t all virtue signalling, but there’s far more depth to the answers than you might expect (https://youtu.be/2pjFJ0HPt5g?si=NqM0jDAKEqwhFVnK)
Interesting. Some say they hate Israel, some middling, one guy says he doesn't hate anyone. I would say, maybe. The problem with surveys is that unless they're conducted in a very specific way you often don't get honest answers, especially when you train a camera on someone. It's why scientific research has to be conducted so carefully because people will tell the researcher what they think they want to hear or what makes themselves look good.
The interviewer saying, "I lived during the intifadas and never heard anyone say, 'Kill a Palestinian, get a dollar'. I had a Jordanian Muslim friend who said she never heard of honour killings in Jordan. Never mind that at the time they were about 50% of female deaths (not sure what it is now, this was about 18 years ago). I used to talk to a New York Orthodox Jew who had lived and studied in Jerusalem for awhile and that he was on the police force & disclaimed any knowledge of Israeli cops roughing up Palestinians or using a torture device called 'the hood'. Denied that even existed. A few months later I posted a news story in the forum to say, "Hey L, looks like the Israeli police are going to stop using the hood you said didn't exist. And that they're going to stop torturing the prisoners you said they weren't torturing." It's amazing what people don't 'know' about their own cultures...when the news is bad. (I wonder about the man who says, "There are no Arab Muslims who like Israel." Maybe they do but they don't say so in Gaza because it would be...well, pretty unpopular.)
The guy who says he doesn't hate the Israelis, but the government...and not Americans, but their government. Sounds like me in the eighties saying I don't hate Russians, but I can't stand their government.
Interesting, the guy who knows 5 about Islam but isn't religious and has Jewish friends. He sounds the most reasonable. Interesting comments as well taking the interviewer to task a bit for interchanging Israel, Israelis & Jews.
So yes, many opinions across the board, which is similar to what I've found. This morning I went looking for unbiased (largely anyway) information sources because I really want to understand where the legitimate grievances against Israel come from. It's so hard now with so much bias and journalistic lack of integrity on both sides on this issue. I came up with, just to start Agence France Presse (it detects your browser's language so no need to speak French), Asian Times, and The Conversation, both of which I'm familiar with (always avoided AFP as my French isn't good enough, now I don't have to. Unfortunately their search engine sucks.) Read a good article on the Asian Times (reprinted from The Conversation) about how much of Palestine really can't stand Hamas and wishes they'd fuck off to hell. I know no source is ever 100% unbiased and I tend to lean on Media Bias Fact Check to state who's unbiased (at the moment anyway) but I'm more inclined to go with their 'unbiased' assessments, unless someone can come up with a better one. They note that both Asian Times and AFP are IFCN fact checkers, which led me to *their* website...I may write an article about how to research difficult subjects like this, since there's so much crap to sort through.
I'm already well-familiar with the past evils of Christianity and Judaism; last night after my arrival at my family's in the States a brief topic of conversation is, "Why We Understand Why Some People Have Hated the Jews." I said anyone who had to live with them in Biblical times sure had good reason, based on the Old Testament. And as a Pagan I can speak up one side and down the other about the evils of Christianity. But...neither of those religions is actively launching terrorist attacks. If you look at the research in that article, it shows rather a lot of support for terrorism, Hamas, laws that hate one people dear to liberals' hearts, etc. Now, maybe those surveys aren't right; I don't know. Surveys aren't the most reliable sources of information, and people will sometimes give what they think is the 'right' answer (or the ones they think will make their people look better to the rest of the world). There's just too much support for terrorism, and I keep thinking of how many times they've turned down a two-state solution. So yeah, I suspect virtue signalling. But I could be wrong.
Not convinced it's just 'a few hundred men', frankly.
“They” didn’t turn down a two-state solution any more than you pulled out of the Paris accords or implemented a Muslim ban.
If you have a minute, check out this video on Palestinian feelings towards Jews and Israel. There’s a range of responses, they certainly aren’t all virtue signalling, but there’s far more depth to the answers than you might expect (https://youtu.be/2pjFJ0HPt5g?si=NqM0jDAKEqwhFVnK)
Interesting. Some say they hate Israel, some middling, one guy says he doesn't hate anyone. I would say, maybe. The problem with surveys is that unless they're conducted in a very specific way you often don't get honest answers, especially when you train a camera on someone. It's why scientific research has to be conducted so carefully because people will tell the researcher what they think they want to hear or what makes themselves look good.
The interviewer saying, "I lived during the intifadas and never heard anyone say, 'Kill a Palestinian, get a dollar'. I had a Jordanian Muslim friend who said she never heard of honour killings in Jordan. Never mind that at the time they were about 50% of female deaths (not sure what it is now, this was about 18 years ago). I used to talk to a New York Orthodox Jew who had lived and studied in Jerusalem for awhile and that he was on the police force & disclaimed any knowledge of Israeli cops roughing up Palestinians or using a torture device called 'the hood'. Denied that even existed. A few months later I posted a news story in the forum to say, "Hey L, looks like the Israeli police are going to stop using the hood you said didn't exist. And that they're going to stop torturing the prisoners you said they weren't torturing." It's amazing what people don't 'know' about their own cultures...when the news is bad. (I wonder about the man who says, "There are no Arab Muslims who like Israel." Maybe they do but they don't say so in Gaza because it would be...well, pretty unpopular.)
The guy who says he doesn't hate the Israelis, but the government...and not Americans, but their government. Sounds like me in the eighties saying I don't hate Russians, but I can't stand their government.
Interesting, the guy who knows 5 about Islam but isn't religious and has Jewish friends. He sounds the most reasonable. Interesting comments as well taking the interviewer to task a bit for interchanging Israel, Israelis & Jews.
So yes, many opinions across the board, which is similar to what I've found. This morning I went looking for unbiased (largely anyway) information sources because I really want to understand where the legitimate grievances against Israel come from. It's so hard now with so much bias and journalistic lack of integrity on both sides on this issue. I came up with, just to start Agence France Presse (it detects your browser's language so no need to speak French), Asian Times, and The Conversation, both of which I'm familiar with (always avoided AFP as my French isn't good enough, now I don't have to. Unfortunately their search engine sucks.) Read a good article on the Asian Times (reprinted from The Conversation) about how much of Palestine really can't stand Hamas and wishes they'd fuck off to hell. I know no source is ever 100% unbiased and I tend to lean on Media Bias Fact Check to state who's unbiased (at the moment anyway) but I'm more inclined to go with their 'unbiased' assessments, unless someone can come up with a better one. They note that both Asian Times and AFP are IFCN fact checkers, which led me to *their* website...I may write an article about how to research difficult subjects like this, since there's so much crap to sort through.