You'll hear a lot about Hamas using civilians as "human shields," and about caching military ordnance in hospitals and schools so that innocents are killed in destroying it.
Given how many times Israel has been caught lying (read fast, because those news stories have a funny way of vanishing and leaving no history), there is ample reason …
You'll hear a lot about Hamas using civilians as "human shields," and about caching military ordnance in hospitals and schools so that innocents are killed in destroying it.
Given how many times Israel has been caught lying (read fast, because those news stories have a funny way of vanishing and leaving no history), there is ample reason to doubt the truth of this claim. The BBC recently exposed a clear case of architected falsehood, a gun layin atop an MRI machine suddenly being two guns after Israel had evacuated it. It's all staged.
If you knew about how Israel treats the Palestinians then you would not find the desire to erase Israel at all remarkable. And the settlers are the very worst. They're like the neighbors who kill your pets and put an M80 in your mailbox. They murder the people who have lived there for centuries with no reprisal and even the best of them are nuisances. There is no argument anyone can make about Israel's "terrorist" neighbors or their hatred of Israel that doesn't fall apart the moment you learn about the settlements.
A Palestinian family gets its door kicked in; they have five minutes to evacuate before their house is bulldozed, and anyone still inside will be crushed. making room for trailers for Russian rabble or luxurious condominiums for wealthy American Jews.
Settlement construction is a big business.
If you'd buried your children, shot in the back from helicopters, you'd want Israel destroyed too.
Sure, many Israelis are decent people who want the occupation ended. But they aren't running the country, the settler movement does that, just as MAGA runs the GOP.
And after Gaza is resettled and the West Bank is full, next up are Lebanon and Syria, which even the Likud Party claims as Israel, while Shas and Jewish Home accept no limits anywhere. Respecting no borders. Just wait:
"Lebanese terrorists"
"I stand with Israel"
"Lebanese gunmen" <——> "Israeli self-defense"
America should end diplomatic relations with "the state of Israel" and shift the aid to the people being exterminated, and make any further relations conditional on emptying the settlements and putting several dozen members of the Israeli right on trial in The Hague.
My question was specific. The video that I've seen shows the fighting taking place in a highly populated area. Leaving human shield accusations aside, Hamas and non-combatant Palestinians are in the same space.
When I see a video of a bunker buster being used to blast the bottom out of talk buildings, collapsing then into their footprint, it is said that there was a Hamas command center in it, with an unmentioned mostly not Hamas in it. Assuming that the command center was in it, is destroying the whole building the right thing?
Population centers and their infrastructure are being destroyed, making the place unlivable. That seems to be beyond going after Hamas. Ignoring words, with my own eyes I see widespread destruction and airburst WP over population centers. I wouldn't burn a house down to kill a mouse.
My question pertains to how, and I'm not saying human shield, do you fight in that environment? I am ignoring good guys vs bad guys and focusing on friend or foe where I treat non-combatants as friend. The conduct of warfare in and urban setting. How it is being conducted, rather than why?
"My question pertains to how, and I'm not saying human shield, do you fight in that environment?"
Your military knowledge far exceeds mine, but I think the most enlightening way to answer this question is to ask what Israel would do if those "unmentioned mostly not Hamas" were Israeli instead of Palestinian civilians. I think there's still a point at which they'd accept those casualties. But I think they'd be far more likely to hit targets like that with troops instead of bombs in that instance. Troops allow for a degree precision and restraint that bombs don't.
Military forces have claimed that civilian-filled targets were covers for military infrastructure forever. There's no way to confirm which claims are true and which are false. But I don't know what military target, especially in a place like Gaza, justifies over 4000 dead children.
"Military forces have claimed that civilian-filled targets were covers for military infrastructure forever. There's no way to confirm which claims are true and which are false. "
While it was training for riot control it would also apply to counter insurgency. "They are your fellow Americans. Use the minimum force necessary, but all that is necessary." The uncomfortable meaning is clear. I can never forget those words.
You'll hear a lot about Hamas using civilians as "human shields," and about caching military ordnance in hospitals and schools so that innocents are killed in destroying it.
Given how many times Israel has been caught lying (read fast, because those news stories have a funny way of vanishing and leaving no history), there is ample reason to doubt the truth of this claim. The BBC recently exposed a clear case of architected falsehood, a gun layin atop an MRI machine suddenly being two guns after Israel had evacuated it. It's all staged.
As the bombing of Gaza has shown, Israel doesn't give a shit about innocent lives. They never have. As a fetus acquires humanity at birth, a person acquires humanity by being Jewish. To kill a non-Jew is not murder under the Israeli right's view, a position unapologetically detailed in this 2009 bestseller: https://www.dohainstitute.org/en/ResearchAndStudies/Pages/The_Kings_Torah_and_the_Killing_of_Palestinians.aspx
If you knew about how Israel treats the Palestinians then you would not find the desire to erase Israel at all remarkable. And the settlers are the very worst. They're like the neighbors who kill your pets and put an M80 in your mailbox. They murder the people who have lived there for centuries with no reprisal and even the best of them are nuisances. There is no argument anyone can make about Israel's "terrorist" neighbors or their hatred of Israel that doesn't fall apart the moment you learn about the settlements.
A Palestinian family gets its door kicked in; they have five minutes to evacuate before their house is bulldozed, and anyone still inside will be crushed. making room for trailers for Russian rabble or luxurious condominiums for wealthy American Jews.
Settlement construction is a big business.
If you'd buried your children, shot in the back from helicopters, you'd want Israel destroyed too.
Sure, many Israelis are decent people who want the occupation ended. But they aren't running the country, the settler movement does that, just as MAGA runs the GOP.
And after Gaza is resettled and the West Bank is full, next up are Lebanon and Syria, which even the Likud Party claims as Israel, while Shas and Jewish Home accept no limits anywhere. Respecting no borders. Just wait:
"Lebanese terrorists"
"I stand with Israel"
"Lebanese gunmen" <——> "Israeli self-defense"
America should end diplomatic relations with "the state of Israel" and shift the aid to the people being exterminated, and make any further relations conditional on emptying the settlements and putting several dozen members of the Israeli right on trial in The Hague.
My question was specific. The video that I've seen shows the fighting taking place in a highly populated area. Leaving human shield accusations aside, Hamas and non-combatant Palestinians are in the same space.
When I see a video of a bunker buster being used to blast the bottom out of talk buildings, collapsing then into their footprint, it is said that there was a Hamas command center in it, with an unmentioned mostly not Hamas in it. Assuming that the command center was in it, is destroying the whole building the right thing?
Population centers and their infrastructure are being destroyed, making the place unlivable. That seems to be beyond going after Hamas. Ignoring words, with my own eyes I see widespread destruction and airburst WP over population centers. I wouldn't burn a house down to kill a mouse.
My question pertains to how, and I'm not saying human shield, do you fight in that environment? I am ignoring good guys vs bad guys and focusing on friend or foe where I treat non-combatants as friend. The conduct of warfare in and urban setting. How it is being conducted, rather than why?
"My question pertains to how, and I'm not saying human shield, do you fight in that environment?"
Your military knowledge far exceeds mine, but I think the most enlightening way to answer this question is to ask what Israel would do if those "unmentioned mostly not Hamas" were Israeli instead of Palestinian civilians. I think there's still a point at which they'd accept those casualties. But I think they'd be far more likely to hit targets like that with troops instead of bombs in that instance. Troops allow for a degree precision and restraint that bombs don't.
Military forces have claimed that civilian-filled targets were covers for military infrastructure forever. There's no way to confirm which claims are true and which are false. But I don't know what military target, especially in a place like Gaza, justifies over 4000 dead children.
"Military forces have claimed that civilian-filled targets were covers for military infrastructure forever. There's no way to confirm which claims are true and which are false. "
I think "false" is a far safer presumption.
While it was training for riot control it would also apply to counter insurgency. "They are your fellow Americans. Use the minimum force necessary, but all that is necessary." The uncomfortable meaning is clear. I can never forget those words.
"With the border wide open, open warfare at home within the USA is a certainty"
Some would opine that that is the true purpose of the wide open border, to enable terrorism to strike at home and inspire support for war.
Read the book link I posted and the morality will become clear.