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Lightwing's avatar

I had to log on to like your comment for this: “…academic jargonbabble beloved by SJWs who love big impressive words because they obscure the fact that they really don't know how they think or feel about their subjects.” So apt.

The way to get rid of Donald Trump is to re-empower the working class. Like maybe not make them pay for rich people's student loans. Maybe not ship all of their jobs offshore. Stop slanting policy toward the rich in general would be a good idea.

And there is also this (in terms of getting rid of Trump): https://criticaltherapyantidote.org/2022/08/08/freud-explains-cancel-culture/ I know Freud's theories have been discredited but I still thought this article was spot on. Just drop Freud's nomenclature and go with the behavioral dynamics and it works.

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Freud's views on how our psychology works is one of many, and none of them tell the 'whole story', they're just different ways of viewing the brain, all of them valid, IMO. Freud's view is very early, arguably a pioneer (although I could make a case for the Buddha as the earliest psychology pioneer). Much of what Freud taught has been discredited, as you point out, but I still keep an open mind on the id/ego/superego piece.

That's a very good article and one I'm going to pass on to a friend I just saw last night after being separated for three years by the pandemic (and life). He got a degree in 'community psychology' which I never heard of before, I wonder if it's a new field, but it seems to be about social justice, which has introduced some 'woke' ideas into him but he's not woke-crazy so far as I can tell.

He sent me an article yesterday he wants me to read, and I will likely send him this one because I pushed back somewhat on his 'woke' views the other night - we got into a private Facebook argument and then he called me to work it out like grownups did back in days of yore before we all got so divided and caught up for two hours and then he came over last night to watch bad movies, drink highballs and enjoy a gummy :) Hey, it's the only way to watch the Giant Spider Invasion (1975) and Sharktopus (2010)!

I ran across an old note to myself on article ideas...putting this one nearer the top on my list of things to write about...how to talk to wokies based on my experience arguing with Christian fundamentalists back when I lived in the States (and was younger and had time for this shit). One thing I learned back in the day was don't argue on their turf (the Bible) which you will never know as well as them. Force them onto yours (scientific/historical evidence) and hold their feet to the fire on the facts.

With the wokies, their Bible is social justice critical theories, and peer-reviewed research and evidence is their weak spot, particularly science. They'll be better-versed on history than Christian fundies but it will still be contaminated by their biases (who knew wokies had biases...:) )

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Lightwing's avatar

Follow on - also, woke infused therapy is just another example of experts shooting themselves in the foot, and the hand, and the head. I mean, how long before people just give up on experts altogether and revert to superstition or other belief systems? Do they really think they can play these head games with their "lessers" and get away with it scot free? Just because someone is not an expert in whatever or has a lesser IQ does not make them stupid. Their scorn is their demise.

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Yes. Behavioral pattens stay the same regardless of labels. Who would have thunk in the 60s that boomer's kids and grandkids (and some boomers themselves) would turn into the very religous fundies they pilloried at that time? If they could only see themselves objectively. Self-righteousness is an eternal element of the psyche, apparently.

The reason I follow what is happening in therapy is because I am an adult survivor. And I am super worried about vulnerable people entering therapy only to be white-shamed. Jesus. I mean these people are already f'd up and have low self-esteem and hate themselves because they have been shamed to hell and back and now you are going to tell them they carry the original sin of whiteness as well - one that has NO redemption? It won't end well. Some of these therapists are going to drive people to suicide. And it's so avoidable. Sigh...

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