Jan 13th, 2024. India Willoughby, a reality TV-grade celebrity and trans woman, writes a (now deleted) tweet about kidnapping three women: Scottish MP Joanna Cherry, "gender critical" activist Maya Forstater, and JK Rowling.
Thank you again Steve QJ, this is exactly right. Eliminate gender stereotypes and let individuals live their lives as they wish. Women should be able to choose their careers, and desires, and fashion, and hobbies, and loves, as they wish. And so should men. And if we agree on this, there is no more need for made up constructs like gender independent of biological sex. Transwomen will then just be men who wish to change their sexual organs, or don feminine fashion. Transmen simiarly will just be women doing similar. Problem solved and no need to contort society with false metaphysics.
And there is no need, formal, legal, nor colloquial, for the fantasy of “gender identity.” There is male and there is female, there is no switching between them, nor is there any continuum, what the illiterate call spectrum, between them.
Let language disconnected from reality be limited to fantasy writers and priests.
And the newspapers would be firebombed. Steve would have to live with a security squad.
The rage and vehemence around this ideology is astonishing, as it must be because it would collapse under the tiniest smidgeon of honest debate.
That a conception as clearly at odds with evident reality and millennia of undisputed understanding shows just how fragile our grasp on truth has become.
Talk about fantasies... if only there were such commentators in the NTimes. I might still be reading it, rather than glancing at it. Although, to be fair, I have read some good columns by Pamela Paul regarding the trans agenda.
It wouldn’t be fair or realistic to expect someone with such a clear objective viewpoint to be working for the Guardian or the New York Times; what a cruel fate to wish on any one 😆 You can, however, get this level of journalism still in the Spectator or Telegraph. Not too sure what the US equivalent would be.
Thank you. This forester, pickup driving, sports loving 76 year old grandmother who still uses her chainsaw can only roll her eyes at the “progressive” youngsters who insist sex stereotypes that we demolished in the 70’s must now define you. Not only that, but you must amputate healthy body parts and live a life dependent on drugs.
Words that used to have meaning and power are collapsing. Being called a “racist” or a “transphobe” or a “hater” have lost their power to silence those with the “wrong” thoughts. The tide is beginning to turn. Reality will win out. There is no other option. It’s just going to take awhile since the ask to be “kind” and “inclusive” seemed reasonable until the dark side of those requests became apparent.
but you must amputate healthy body parts and live a life dependent on drugs." this is the saddest part. And I see it happening in young people all around me.
Jonathan Willoughby was familiar when I was on Twitter and an utterly vile person. He was unrelentingly absurd.
Every appearance by a TransTok figure was an exercise in intelligence-insulting ideology, blasting self-righteous rage at a world that doesn’t fold to their every absurdity. Why these people are not more hated is a mystery for the ages.
As a young lesbian I pretended to enjoy drag performers, because that was part of "the community". As I aged out of attending things that required pretending things, trans ideology leapt into the void created by the legalization of gay marriage, and before I knew it men were winning women's titles in sports and being awarded prized in other arenas that had previously been limited to women. So I think there's a lot going on here, but why these people aren't more hated is probably related to the incorrect perception that the trans ideologues filling social media with their performative narcissism are heroic outlaws/rebels/underdogs bravely confronting an oppressive heteronormative power structure.
I left in 2010 and while I’d known many transsexual men, dated several, the “transgender” garbage was just getting started. Where others might see social progress I see a cult of fakes, pampered brats who didn’t hear “no” enough growing up.
Candidly, I despise them.
The “nonbinary” are the worst. At least “trans” has a distant cousin in transsexuals; NB is pure fabrication and most evidently a tactic for getting an extra ration of special attention.
Look at me, look at me, I’m “trans.” Use my latest pronouns or I’ll get you fired.
Never hire one. Don’t let them on planes. Don’t give them store service.
Steve, they're men. Trans-identified men. Or M2F if you want to be polite. Ceding the word "woman" to them is what got us into this mess in the first place.
If you are a trans woman there are a few things that you need to understand. First of all is that you are still a man because you can't change your biological sex. It's okay to dress any way you wish and to adopt any superficial, stereotypical attributes of women that you desire. Live your life. No one should care, I certainly don't. However, because women are entitled to be treated fairly and to enjoy privacy from men there are certain things that are prohibited to you and me because we are men. You can't compete against women in most sports because it would be unfair. You can't go into women's private places like restrooms and locker rooms because that would make them feel unsafe. Finally, if you are a criminal you certainly can't be imprisoned with women.
The worst was Anthony (“Erin”) Reed, a procurer of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for children in states that forbid them to minors. As much damage as he’s caused, he deserves a medieval answer to a regicide.
He is almost a creation; every photo from the same angle, wearing the same expression and same sidelong glance. He makes my skin crawl.
Facebook now has a few, or maybe it’s one energetic advocate posting endlessly about the outrage of JK Rowling and Elon Musk saying men shouldn’t be punching women in the face in Olympic boxing. These are presented with the assumption this is is th purest bigotry.
Trans-women wish to be thought of and accepted as women. Part of fulfilling that desire is "trans-rights." Do women have no right to privacy and not share a locker/shower room with someone displaying a penis? Do women have no Title IX rights to compete in sports against other women? Do women in prison have a right to not share space with convicted rapists who call themselves women? Do lesbian women have a right to not want to have sex with a "woman" with a penis? Trans-rights must destroy women's rights to achieve the goal of being thought of in every way as a woman. Zeus help us on the day that women lose all rights to satisfy that goal.
Hi, what Mforti said below. The only thing I will add is that we are ALL persons first, no matter what "box" we choose to live in [Thank you, Ms. Barron.] I hope I live long enough to see all humans agree and accept each other as we are. I do my best at accepting others as the persons they are every day.
"transwomen" -- compound word like "crayfish" which ain't. The adjective-noun pair more or less concedes -- as many transactivists argue -- that transwomen actually are women. Like "black women" or "Chinese women".
Transwomen won't ever qualify as women, as "adult human females", since they lack, and won't ever have, the more or less essential and defining quality of that category -- i.e., ovaries.
Y'all may wish to peruse even more reputable popular dictionaries which underline the point:
When I hear crayfish, I know that is not a fish (also know they are darn tasty). When I hear Black Woman or Chinese Woman, i know that is a woman of a particular ethnic background. When I hear transwoman, I know that is a male that takes on the trappings of appearing to be a man, and vice versa for transman (female that wants to take on the appearance of being a man). I agree that using the word transwoman could be viewed as a concession. However it can be looked at as a descriptor of a particular person: a male that takes on the trappings of appearing to be a man. This would be useful if adhered to by everyone, TRAs not trying to force concessions and some segment of the population just being arseholes. And for the handful of things where it is beneficial for separate spaces to exist, this approach would allow that. Spaces for each category.
👍🙂 Though this looks like a typo you might want to correct:
Jeff: "When I hear transwoman, I know that is a male that takes on the trappings of appearing to be a man [woman] ..."
But many transwomen get their knickers in a twist over the word "transwomen" since that more or less denies their claim to being actual women -- a further good reason to use that compound word. See the "Usage Notes" here:
If I was in the changing room and I noticed someone who otherwise looked male but had a vagina, I would think “huh, a dude with a vaj” and get on with my day. I have no idea if the genitals of my acquaintances match their presented gender. I do not care. I am more concerned with the content of your character than the contents of your underwear.
Unfortunately on social media, there are lots of people who insist on being idiots. I am one of those people. But it seems that despite my best efforts, I am not the biggest idiot. There are plenty of people in both the gendercritical and trans advocacy communities doing their damnedest to beat me.
Is gender a fact or an opinion? We went from a world where boy = penis and girl = vagina (an admittedly simplistic view) was 100% true (intersex? what's that?) to one where it's 99.9% true, but Good-Thinking People are compelled to pretend it's not. Our society desperately needs to get rid of its ridiculous attitudes towards gender stereotypes.
I think the LGBTQ community got caught in a bind. On one hand, you have people who want to be normal, just happen to act in "deviant" ways. On the other hand, you have people who want to tear down all "normality." The assimilationists won with gay marriage...which leaves the "fuck society" types sitting in the back, unsure whether they want to be good vanilla citizens or keep their indie cred.
Unfortunately, there's no one having an intelligent debate; just endless inflammatory rhetoric.
Thank you again Steve QJ, this is exactly right. Eliminate gender stereotypes and let individuals live their lives as they wish. Women should be able to choose their careers, and desires, and fashion, and hobbies, and loves, as they wish. And so should men. And if we agree on this, there is no more need for made up constructs like gender independent of biological sex. Transwomen will then just be men who wish to change their sexual organs, or don feminine fashion. Transmen simiarly will just be women doing similar. Problem solved and no need to contort society with false metaphysics.
And there is no need, formal, legal, nor colloquial, for the fantasy of “gender identity.” There is male and there is female, there is no switching between them, nor is there any continuum, what the illiterate call spectrum, between them.
Let language disconnected from reality be limited to fantasy writers and priests.
Which is where it belongs. And there's nothing wrong with that.
There are no "trans"women or "trans"men because there is no such thing as "trans."
A mentally ill man in a skirt or a mentally ill woman on testosterone have not change sex because nobody does.
Steve, in a fair universe, you would have a weekly column in the New York Times (or the Guardian) and everyone would follow you.
And the newspapers would be firebombed. Steve would have to live with a security squad.
The rage and vehemence around this ideology is astonishing, as it must be because it would collapse under the tiniest smidgeon of honest debate.
That a conception as clearly at odds with evident reality and millennia of undisputed understanding shows just how fragile our grasp on truth has become.
Talk about fantasies... if only there were such commentators in the NTimes. I might still be reading it, rather than glancing at it. Although, to be fair, I have read some good columns by Pamela Paul regarding the trans agenda.
I'll check her out. Haven't heard of Pamela Paul
So true! So true!
It wouldn’t be fair or realistic to expect someone with such a clear objective viewpoint to be working for the Guardian or the New York Times; what a cruel fate to wish on any one 😆 You can, however, get this level of journalism still in the Spectator or Telegraph. Not too sure what the US equivalent would be.
Thank you. This forester, pickup driving, sports loving 76 year old grandmother who still uses her chainsaw can only roll her eyes at the “progressive” youngsters who insist sex stereotypes that we demolished in the 70’s must now define you. Not only that, but you must amputate healthy body parts and live a life dependent on drugs.
Words that used to have meaning and power are collapsing. Being called a “racist” or a “transphobe” or a “hater” have lost their power to silence those with the “wrong” thoughts. The tide is beginning to turn. Reality will win out. There is no other option. It’s just going to take awhile since the ask to be “kind” and “inclusive” seemed reasonable until the dark side of those requests became apparent.
but you must amputate healthy body parts and live a life dependent on drugs." this is the saddest part. And I see it happening in young people all around me.
Amen. Amen. Amen. Love your writing! Try sending some of it over to the US Supreme Court so Ms. Jackson can be helped to figure out what a woman is….
Jonathan Willoughby was familiar when I was on Twitter and an utterly vile person. He was unrelentingly absurd.
Every appearance by a TransTok figure was an exercise in intelligence-insulting ideology, blasting self-righteous rage at a world that doesn’t fold to their every absurdity. Why these people are not more hated is a mystery for the ages.
As a young lesbian I pretended to enjoy drag performers, because that was part of "the community". As I aged out of attending things that required pretending things, trans ideology leapt into the void created by the legalization of gay marriage, and before I knew it men were winning women's titles in sports and being awarded prized in other arenas that had previously been limited to women. So I think there's a lot going on here, but why these people aren't more hated is probably related to the incorrect perception that the trans ideologues filling social media with their performative narcissism are heroic outlaws/rebels/underdogs bravely confronting an oppressive heteronormative power structure.
I left in 2010 and while I’d known many transsexual men, dated several, the “transgender” garbage was just getting started. Where others might see social progress I see a cult of fakes, pampered brats who didn’t hear “no” enough growing up.
Candidly, I despise them.
The “nonbinary” are the worst. At least “trans” has a distant cousin in transsexuals; NB is pure fabrication and most evidently a tactic for getting an extra ration of special attention.
Look at me, look at me, I’m “trans.” Use my latest pronouns or I’ll get you fired.
Never hire one. Don’t let them on planes. Don’t give them store service.
Drag queens are disgusting.
These men mock women, wear womanface and make fun of what they think are the worst stereotypes, and they think they're heroes for doing so.
It's repulsive.
Steve, they're men. Trans-identified men. Or M2F if you want to be polite. Ceding the word "woman" to them is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Correct.
There is no such thing as "trans"women because there's no such thing as "trans."
They're just men. The word woman should not be used for them in any way, with any prefix because there's one type of woman. And they're not it.
If you are a trans woman there are a few things that you need to understand. First of all is that you are still a man because you can't change your biological sex. It's okay to dress any way you wish and to adopt any superficial, stereotypical attributes of women that you desire. Live your life. No one should care, I certainly don't. However, because women are entitled to be treated fairly and to enjoy privacy from men there are certain things that are prohibited to you and me because we are men. You can't compete against women in most sports because it would be unfair. You can't go into women's private places like restrooms and locker rooms because that would make them feel unsafe. Finally, if you are a criminal you certainly can't be imprisoned with women.
That's it, just like me.
The worst was Anthony (“Erin”) Reed, a procurer of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for children in states that forbid them to minors. As much damage as he’s caused, he deserves a medieval answer to a regicide.
He is almost a creation; every photo from the same angle, wearing the same expression and same sidelong glance. He makes my skin crawl.
Facebook now has a few, or maybe it’s one energetic advocate posting endlessly about the outrage of JK Rowling and Elon Musk saying men shouldn’t be punching women in the face in Olympic boxing. These are presented with the assumption this is is th purest bigotry.
Trans-women wish to be thought of and accepted as women. Part of fulfilling that desire is "trans-rights." Do women have no right to privacy and not share a locker/shower room with someone displaying a penis? Do women have no Title IX rights to compete in sports against other women? Do women in prison have a right to not share space with convicted rapists who call themselves women? Do lesbian women have a right to not want to have sex with a "woman" with a penis? Trans-rights must destroy women's rights to achieve the goal of being thought of in every way as a woman. Zeus help us on the day that women lose all rights to satisfy that goal.
Thank you.
I just watched the Daily Wire's new documentary video, "Identity Crisis." It shows surgery. OMG!
Hi, what Mforti said below. The only thing I will add is that we are ALL persons first, no matter what "box" we choose to live in [Thank you, Ms. Barron.] I hope I live long enough to see all humans agree and accept each other as we are. I do my best at accepting others as the persons they are every day.
It feels very important to me to have such an eloquent and clear male advocate pushing back against the trans agenda. Thank you, Steve QJ.
"transwomen" -- compound word like "crayfish" which ain't. The adjective-noun pair more or less concedes -- as many transactivists argue -- that transwomen actually are women. Like "black women" or "Chinese women".
Transwomen won't ever qualify as women, as "adult human females", since they lack, and won't ever have, the more or less essential and defining quality of that category -- i.e., ovaries.
Y'all may wish to peruse even more reputable popular dictionaries which underline the point:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181020204521/https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/female
When I hear crayfish, I know that is not a fish (also know they are darn tasty). When I hear Black Woman or Chinese Woman, i know that is a woman of a particular ethnic background. When I hear transwoman, I know that is a male that takes on the trappings of appearing to be a man, and vice versa for transman (female that wants to take on the appearance of being a man). I agree that using the word transwoman could be viewed as a concession. However it can be looked at as a descriptor of a particular person: a male that takes on the trappings of appearing to be a man. This would be useful if adhered to by everyone, TRAs not trying to force concessions and some segment of the population just being arseholes. And for the handful of things where it is beneficial for separate spaces to exist, this approach would allow that. Spaces for each category.
👍🙂 Though this looks like a typo you might want to correct:
Jeff: "When I hear transwoman, I know that is a male that takes on the trappings of appearing to be a man [woman] ..."
But many transwomen get their knickers in a twist over the word "transwomen" since that more or less denies their claim to being actual women -- a further good reason to use that compound word. See the "Usage Notes" here:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trans_woman
If I was in the changing room and I noticed someone who otherwise looked male but had a vagina, I would think “huh, a dude with a vaj” and get on with my day. I have no idea if the genitals of my acquaintances match their presented gender. I do not care. I am more concerned with the content of your character than the contents of your underwear.
Unfortunately on social media, there are lots of people who insist on being idiots. I am one of those people. But it seems that despite my best efforts, I am not the biggest idiot. There are plenty of people in both the gendercritical and trans advocacy communities doing their damnedest to beat me.
Is gender a fact or an opinion? We went from a world where boy = penis and girl = vagina (an admittedly simplistic view) was 100% true (intersex? what's that?) to one where it's 99.9% true, but Good-Thinking People are compelled to pretend it's not. Our society desperately needs to get rid of its ridiculous attitudes towards gender stereotypes.
I think the LGBTQ community got caught in a bind. On one hand, you have people who want to be normal, just happen to act in "deviant" ways. On the other hand, you have people who want to tear down all "normality." The assimilationists won with gay marriage...which leaves the "fuck society" types sitting in the back, unsure whether they want to be good vanilla citizens or keep their indie cred.
Unfortunately, there's no one having an intelligent debate; just endless inflammatory rhetoric.