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jen segal's avatar

I appreciate Jenny’s inherent honesty. As a natel woman who identifies as male, they are at least genuinely in tune with who they are, what they are, and who they would want to be. I can respect that because it’s not a lie. It’s a choice. Others responding seem to lack that clarity.

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Steve QJ's avatar

Absolutely. One of the things I find most sad about this whole issue (and one of the things I think leads to so much of the nastiness) is the fact that it's all built on these incredibly fragile lies. The idea that one becomes their "authentic self" by convincing everybody around them to participate in that lie is even more bizarre.

So many young trans people are taught to be ashamed of or hide their tranistion. Their "deadname" must never be spoken. No reference can ever be made to the fact that they used to present differently. Differentiating between a trans woman and a woman is transphobic. Imagine how much more healthy the converation would be (and I suspect their mental health would be) if the facts of their transition could be discussed with pride.

I mean, I know that the whole point for some trans people is that they are treated 100% as nembers of the opposite sex. But given that literally changing sex is impossible, it always leaves this insecurity behind. I wish it was easier.

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Chris Fox's avatar

"one of the things I think leads to so much of the nastiness" is the fact that it's all built on these incredibly fragile lies. "

Oh god this is so very true but not just for millisecond gender changes. This is EVERYWHERE. The more fanatic they are,the more they need to convince others and repress dissent. This is why those trans activists urge immediate transition, a few weeks after wondering "maybe I'm trans," don't think about it, go under the knife RIGHT NOW.

Like newlyweds who aren't getting along very well ... QUICK! Have a BABY!

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Chris Fox's avatar

Prediction: if actual sex changes become possible, whether by nanosurgery or brain transplant or whatever, I predict the entire "trans" fad will disappear, leaving only the actually dysphoric.

I really dislike the pretense you mention. "Switched-On Bach" was recorded by *Walter* Carlos even if new printings say "Wendy." We are not supposed to mention that. Parenthetically, nothing she has recorded post-transition is worth a damn.

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jen segal's avatar

‘Literally changing sex is impossible’

Here you have the truth, full stop. To be asked to live a lie is so inherently damaging - it can’t help but breed resentment and all kinds of negative reactions.

The years we spent living between two gay couples were magical ones. We loved them, accepted them, spent time in and out of each other’s houses, asked their advice on renovating our Victorian.

Ken was the unofficial mayor of the block, and Richard a talented architect. Matthew and I cooked together with joy and laughter, and David shared his magnificent Borsoi’s. No one cared who slept with who. No one demanded we change our perceptions of them to suit an alternate reality. They just were who they were, with pride. Beloved neighbors.

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Michelle's avatar

" Imagine how much more healthy the converation would be (and I suspect their mental health would be) if the facts of their transition could be discussed with pride. "

Exactly this. It saddens me the direction that the trans community (and their 'allies') have taken the messaging and advocacy. This does much more harm to trans people and their cause. Not only is it harmful to the mental health of the gender dysphoric, but it is driving away those who would otherwise be allies.

There have been several times I have been being rudely and defiantly corrected, scolded or yelled at, for not using the correct pronoun when innocently mistaking trans women for being male. Needless to say, this does affect how I interact with trans women.

I have not had the same reaction when accidentally referring to a trans man as her (though admittedly, I have not had nearly as many real-life interactions with trans men that I know of).

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