"๐๐ด๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ด๐ฉ๐ช๐ป๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ด๐ฐ๐ฏ. ๐๐ตโ๐ด ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ฃ๐ข๐ด๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ข๐ต๐ต๐ณ๐ข๐ค๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ถ๐ต ๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ด๐ถ๐ฃ๐ด๐ฆ๐ณ๐ท๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ."
I won't turn this into a discussion about Asian women, but I will say that SC lost a ton of credibility with expressed belief in that myth.
I won't turn this into a discussion about Asian women, but I will say that SC lost a ton of credibility with expressed belief in that myth.
This is one of those discussions that hold a lot of meaning to me. My first awareness of unfounded assumptions of racism was in the 60s in the way that the U.S. Marine Corps logged fights. Two light green Marines or two dark green Marines could get in a fight, and it was a fight about whatever. But if a light green and dark green Marine got in a fight it was logged as an interracial incident. The idea that it was about race was implicit, rather than explicit, but it was what it was. Was there racism? Sure, but assuming that negative interracial incidents were about race was often untrue. It was a bad seed in a government organization thinking.
Derek Chauvin's conviction for the murder of George Floyd was widely seen as justice against racism. To the best of my knowledge, no evidence was given in the trial that racism played a role. That kind of thing happens when race cannot be blamed.
Tony Timpa was restrained in a "controversial position" similar to the position former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin held George Floyd in for 14 minutes before he died. [๐๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ง๐ช๐ค๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ต๐ช๐ฏ๐ถ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ซ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ต ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐น๐ต ๐ธ๐ช๐ต๐ฉ ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข, ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ต๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ท๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ช๐ด๐ฆ๐ด. ๐๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ, ๐ข๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ธ๐ข๐ด ๐ญ๐ช๐ง๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ข ๐จ๐ถ๐ณ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฃ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ, ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ง๐ช๐ค๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ข๐ณ๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ฅ, โ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ ๐ ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฅ๐ฏโ๐ต ๐ฌ๐ช๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ,โ ๐ข๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ด๐ต ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ฒ๐ถ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ข๐ถ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฅ. ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฃ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ช๐ค๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ง๐ช๐ค๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ด๐ต๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฃ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฅ, ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ธ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ค๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ฅ.] https://youtu.be/_c-E_i8Q5G0
Would it have been about race if he had been black? Draw your own conclusion. When race is involved, assumption-based opinions fly like bullets in a platoon sized firefight.
Is the fact that most of Robert Long's victims were Asian women reason to jump to a conclusion about it being a racially motivated mass killing? Not in my opinion, but I understand how people jump to them. My Asian wife expressed concern about violence directed at her because of news about blame for the "China Virus" early in the covid-19 pandemic. The media sells controversy and if it resulted in fear in Asian women who are perceived to be easy targets for violence, too bad, who cares? If it leads to an actual case of violence, the importance is in being first to report it. $$$
I am old and traveled and have seen all sorts of racism but leaping to assumptions about racism flies in the face of my logical nature. I'm human, so my logic is sometimes flawed both by bad input data and my own shortcomings, but good hell, who is served by peddling that stuff?
"I won't turn this into a discussion about Asian women, but I will say that SC lost a ton of credibility with expressed belief in that myth."
๐ His credibility was already shot by that point for me. But yes, I hate this myth too. In fact, I hate all these myths that are founded on mind-reading and weak correlations. Even if I'd only ever dated Asian women in my entire life, there is no reason to assume that I'm attracted to them because of some fantasy of subservience.
More importantly, it's racist to assume that they're all subservient because they're Asian. What if each of those women had been particularly assertive, as many Asian women obviously are? So often I find that people who accuse others of racism for things lke this don't realise that the racism is happening in their own minds.
I don't think George Floyd 's murder was substantially, if at all, about race. But I don't think Tony Timpa is good evidence for that one way or another. The fact that a white person has experienced a similar injustice to a black person doesn't mean that the black person's problem wasn't caused by racism. Timpa's death is an excellent refutation of the idea that racism is the only or even a good explanation for police brutality, as well as a very revealing commentary on how the news reports events depending on how much racial angst they can wring out of it.
We need to get past this knee-jerk assumption that an interaction becomes "racialised" the second two people with different skin tones are involved. It's built on the exact same stupidity that all racism is built on.
The industry that feeds on it is served by peddling that stuff.
If โracismโ can be ascribed to a crime irrespective of any evidence found to date it gives a curious sense of closure and โrightnessโ to the world view of those that peddle that stuff.
More chance to fundraise off โstop Asian hateโ.
Frankly itโs despicable. As noted by the earlier responder it adds not one iota to human joy and understanding to layer on these attributes of motivation without evidence - but boy does it give a few jollies to those convinced we are steeped in infamy.
"๐๐ด๐ช๐ข๐ฏ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ด๐ฉ๐ช๐ป๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ด๐ฐ๐ฏ. ๐๐ตโ๐ด ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต ๐ฃ๐ข๐ด๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ข๐ต๐ต๐ณ๐ข๐ค๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ถ๐ต ๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ด๐ถ๐ฃ๐ด๐ฆ๐ณ๐ท๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ."
I won't turn this into a discussion about Asian women, but I will say that SC lost a ton of credibility with expressed belief in that myth.
This is one of those discussions that hold a lot of meaning to me. My first awareness of unfounded assumptions of racism was in the 60s in the way that the U.S. Marine Corps logged fights. Two light green Marines or two dark green Marines could get in a fight, and it was a fight about whatever. But if a light green and dark green Marine got in a fight it was logged as an interracial incident. The idea that it was about race was implicit, rather than explicit, but it was what it was. Was there racism? Sure, but assuming that negative interracial incidents were about race was often untrue. It was a bad seed in a government organization thinking.
Derek Chauvin's conviction for the murder of George Floyd was widely seen as justice against racism. To the best of my knowledge, no evidence was given in the trial that racism played a role. That kind of thing happens when race cannot be blamed.
Tony Timpa was restrained in a "controversial position" similar to the position former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin held George Floyd in for 14 minutes before he died. [๐๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ง๐ช๐ค๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ต๐ช๐ฏ๐ถ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ซ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ต ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐น๐ต ๐ธ๐ช๐ต๐ฉ ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข, ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ต๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ท๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ช๐ด๐ฆ๐ด. ๐๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ, ๐ข๐ด ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ธ๐ข๐ด ๐ญ๐ช๐ง๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ข ๐จ๐ถ๐ณ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฃ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ, ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ง๐ช๐ค๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ข๐ณ๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ฅ, โ๐๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฆ ๐ ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฅ๐ฏโ๐ต ๐ฌ๐ช๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ช๐ฎ,โ ๐ข๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ด๐ต ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ฒ๐ถ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ข๐ถ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฅ. ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฃ๐ถ๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ค๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ข๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ช๐ค๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ง๐ช๐ค๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ด๐ต๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฃ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฆ๐ฅ, ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ธ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ด๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ค๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ฅ.] https://youtu.be/_c-E_i8Q5G0
Would it have been about race if he had been black? Draw your own conclusion. When race is involved, assumption-based opinions fly like bullets in a platoon sized firefight.
Is the fact that most of Robert Long's victims were Asian women reason to jump to a conclusion about it being a racially motivated mass killing? Not in my opinion, but I understand how people jump to them. My Asian wife expressed concern about violence directed at her because of news about blame for the "China Virus" early in the covid-19 pandemic. The media sells controversy and if it resulted in fear in Asian women who are perceived to be easy targets for violence, too bad, who cares? If it leads to an actual case of violence, the importance is in being first to report it. $$$
I am old and traveled and have seen all sorts of racism but leaping to assumptions about racism flies in the face of my logical nature. I'm human, so my logic is sometimes flawed both by bad input data and my own shortcomings, but good hell, who is served by peddling that stuff?
"I won't turn this into a discussion about Asian women, but I will say that SC lost a ton of credibility with expressed belief in that myth."
๐ His credibility was already shot by that point for me. But yes, I hate this myth too. In fact, I hate all these myths that are founded on mind-reading and weak correlations. Even if I'd only ever dated Asian women in my entire life, there is no reason to assume that I'm attracted to them because of some fantasy of subservience.
More importantly, it's racist to assume that they're all subservient because they're Asian. What if each of those women had been particularly assertive, as many Asian women obviously are? So often I find that people who accuse others of racism for things lke this don't realise that the racism is happening in their own minds.
I don't think George Floyd 's murder was substantially, if at all, about race. But I don't think Tony Timpa is good evidence for that one way or another. The fact that a white person has experienced a similar injustice to a black person doesn't mean that the black person's problem wasn't caused by racism. Timpa's death is an excellent refutation of the idea that racism is the only or even a good explanation for police brutality, as well as a very revealing commentary on how the news reports events depending on how much racial angst they can wring out of it.
We need to get past this knee-jerk assumption that an interaction becomes "racialised" the second two people with different skin tones are involved. It's built on the exact same stupidity that all racism is built on.
The industry that feeds on it is served by peddling that stuff.
If โracismโ can be ascribed to a crime irrespective of any evidence found to date it gives a curious sense of closure and โrightnessโ to the world view of those that peddle that stuff.
More chance to fundraise off โstop Asian hateโ.
Frankly itโs despicable. As noted by the earlier responder it adds not one iota to human joy and understanding to layer on these attributes of motivation without evidence - but boy does it give a few jollies to those convinced we are steeped in infamy.