Please post the rest of it...
I love this part, "I am very empathetic to sex abuse survivors, but this also doesn’t justify the vilification of the penis. If it’s not erect and being poked in your face, you can easily ignore one even if a person is being shamelessly out there with it, as trans women aren’t known for doing. In any case …
I love this part, "I am very empathetic to sex abuse survivors, but this also doesn’t justify the vilification of the penis. If it’s not erect and being poked in your face, you can easily ignore one even if a person is being shamelessly out there with it, as trans women aren’t known for doing. In any case you shouldn’t be looking at anyone’s crotch long enough to be intimidated."
I guess that logic leads me to wonder why trans women can't simply continue to use the men's changing room...ignoring the occasional glimpse of flaccid genitalia because of it's overwhelming insignificance...
"I guess that logic leads me to wonder why trans women can't simply continue to use the men's changing room"
Ah, logic.😅 Sadly, logic is pretty scarce in this debate, but in this particular example, the reason is the same reason why women are concerned with laws that erase the boundaries between man and woman; some men are real scumbags.
If a trans woman could use the male changing room without risking being raped or beaten up by transphobes, this would clearly be the ideal solution. But unfortunately, trans women already face a fair amount of abuse at the hands of men. And forcing them into male-only environments would only create more.
The existence of trans people means we're going to have to make some changes to the way society operates. I have no problem with that. Trans people have just as much right to safety and dignity as anybody else. But they can't just bully their way into that. Especially not at the expense of women.
The funny thing about this whole debate is that as much as it's framed as about trans people, it's simply about women's rights. Note how absolutely nobody is worrying about trans men in male changing rooms. In fact, if anybody *is* raising concerns about trans men, it's how to protect them from men! Why? Because it was never about excluding trans people. It's about safeguarding women.
Please post the rest of it...
I love this part, "I am very empathetic to sex abuse survivors, but this also doesn’t justify the vilification of the penis. If it’s not erect and being poked in your face, you can easily ignore one even if a person is being shamelessly out there with it, as trans women aren’t known for doing. In any case you shouldn’t be looking at anyone’s crotch long enough to be intimidated."
I guess that logic leads me to wonder why trans women can't simply continue to use the men's changing room...ignoring the occasional glimpse of flaccid genitalia because of it's overwhelming insignificance...
"I guess that logic leads me to wonder why trans women can't simply continue to use the men's changing room"
Ah, logic.😅 Sadly, logic is pretty scarce in this debate, but in this particular example, the reason is the same reason why women are concerned with laws that erase the boundaries between man and woman; some men are real scumbags.
If a trans woman could use the male changing room without risking being raped or beaten up by transphobes, this would clearly be the ideal solution. But unfortunately, trans women already face a fair amount of abuse at the hands of men. And forcing them into male-only environments would only create more.
The existence of trans people means we're going to have to make some changes to the way society operates. I have no problem with that. Trans people have just as much right to safety and dignity as anybody else. But they can't just bully their way into that. Especially not at the expense of women.
The funny thing about this whole debate is that as much as it's framed as about trans people, it's simply about women's rights. Note how absolutely nobody is worrying about trans men in male changing rooms. In fact, if anybody *is* raising concerns about trans men, it's how to protect them from men! Why? Because it was never about excluding trans people. It's about safeguarding women.