Yeah, it's really unbelievable to me that he could even try to make these arguments. I don't think I've ever come across somebody who was so absolutely disinterested in the safety and boundaries of women and girls. It's hard to surprise me after all these conversations, but I was genuinely shocked.
Yeah, it's really unbelievable to me that he could even try to make these arguments. I don't think I've ever come across somebody who was so absolutely disinterested in the safety and boundaries of women and girls. It's hard to surprise me after all these conversations, but I was genuinely shocked.
And again, the real issue is men. It's laws that make no meaningful distinction between men and women. The implications of these laws to women's safety are just so obvious.
"I don't think I've ever come across somebody who was so absolutely disinterested in the safety and boundaries of women and girls." Let me introduce you to a place called Twitter. (teasing a bit, but I had a few discussions with men on Twitter in regard to the Wi Spa event, and they would go on for some time but they always, ALWAYS, ended with the man getting angry at my request for consideration of acceptable boundaries... so I'd have to block them).
I came across your substack via Andrew Sullivan, and I'm glad that I clicked the link. You were so patient in the discussion you shared up above (until the end, but these things can only go on for so long). Everything you said is in line with my feelings on the issue: it's not about "trans women" (I myself do not believe humans can change sex; and I cannot explain what it feels like to be a woman despite being born female), it's about predatory males that will take advantage of the loosening of the societal expectations, and anyone with common sense knows this. The numbers alone make it inevitable: the number of predatory men that will take advantage of new policies, despite being a small percentage of men overall, is still going to be *way higher* than the number of MtF transgender people that "just want to pee." I'm not willing to put my safety, or the safety of my daughters, and other women and girls on the line.
I used to run into this subconsciously sexualizing mindset when I was a Pagan on various chat discussions years ago. There's a school of thought in Paganism, based on its origins with modern-day founder Gerald Gardner that Pagan circles could be conducted 'skyclad', or naked. There was often debate about whether this was necessary or not and the ones who argued the loudest in favour of it were always men. I pointed it out a few times, and people laughed but the guys tended to shut up. Consciously or not, I think it was about the thrill of being naked with naked chicks. Interestingly, Gardner mandated 'skyclad' because he himself was a nudist (this is going back to the 1930s) and also had sexually liberal viewpoints for the time (well, maybe not for a man, lol).
My feeling is regardless of how one identifies, dicks stay out of women's changing rooms and bathrooms. Too many AGPs (autogynephilics) out there. A transwoman with a vagina has made a REAL commitment to becoming a woman and I take her more seriously - and as less of a threat.
Yeah, it's really unbelievable to me that he could even try to make these arguments. I don't think I've ever come across somebody who was so absolutely disinterested in the safety and boundaries of women and girls. It's hard to surprise me after all these conversations, but I was genuinely shocked.
And again, the real issue is men. It's laws that make no meaningful distinction between men and women. The implications of these laws to women's safety are just so obvious.
"I don't think I've ever come across somebody who was so absolutely disinterested in the safety and boundaries of women and girls." Let me introduce you to a place called Twitter. (teasing a bit, but I had a few discussions with men on Twitter in regard to the Wi Spa event, and they would go on for some time but they always, ALWAYS, ended with the man getting angry at my request for consideration of acceptable boundaries... so I'd have to block them).
I came across your substack via Andrew Sullivan, and I'm glad that I clicked the link. You were so patient in the discussion you shared up above (until the end, but these things can only go on for so long). Everything you said is in line with my feelings on the issue: it's not about "trans women" (I myself do not believe humans can change sex; and I cannot explain what it feels like to be a woman despite being born female), it's about predatory males that will take advantage of the loosening of the societal expectations, and anyone with common sense knows this. The numbers alone make it inevitable: the number of predatory men that will take advantage of new policies, despite being a small percentage of men overall, is still going to be *way higher* than the number of MtF transgender people that "just want to pee." I'm not willing to put my safety, or the safety of my daughters, and other women and girls on the line.
I used to run into this subconsciously sexualizing mindset when I was a Pagan on various chat discussions years ago. There's a school of thought in Paganism, based on its origins with modern-day founder Gerald Gardner that Pagan circles could be conducted 'skyclad', or naked. There was often debate about whether this was necessary or not and the ones who argued the loudest in favour of it were always men. I pointed it out a few times, and people laughed but the guys tended to shut up. Consciously or not, I think it was about the thrill of being naked with naked chicks. Interestingly, Gardner mandated 'skyclad' because he himself was a nudist (this is going back to the 1930s) and also had sexually liberal viewpoints for the time (well, maybe not for a man, lol).
My feeling is regardless of how one identifies, dicks stay out of women's changing rooms and bathrooms. Too many AGPs (autogynephilics) out there. A transwoman with a vagina has made a REAL commitment to becoming a woman and I take her more seriously - and as less of a threat.
(That's my take on safety, YMMV)
One almost wonders if Jared is a chick with a dick.