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No 9…..Please pay a bit closer attention to what I said: “in any of the Trump voters I KNOW”….i obviously can not and will not speak about the motives or inclinations of people o have never met or interacted with. I can speak for myself and my wife and what my family has told me: my wife, black African, “I don’t like Trump but the alternative is so much worse” or my friends from the bar, one white of Eastern Europe background, one black, black “native Detroiter” in local parlance who came down to the bar to celebrate Trumps victory…or my 30 something year old daughter-born and raised liberal who to,d me “I just went MAGA”….come on, just stop with the race bullshit. People who do this for a living have charted the movement of people like myself who voted for Barack Obama and 8 years later (12 in my case) went for Trump. Believe your eyes, Steve, believe what people are telling you.

8. “Undermining American intelligence agencies publicly “ is a bad thing in your world ?????? This is the most mendacious, bloodthirsty, anti democratic cruel and evil grouping in society, and undermining them is a character flaw? Have you forgotten any of the lies they spin to keep us in endless wars, to take away our freedoms, to spend our treasure to spread misery throughout the planet? Does Julian Assange or Edward Snowden ring a bell?

6. I’m not taking about separating children at the border. I’m talking about children going missing, unaccounted for, after having come here on the invitation of Biden/Harris, entering our system and then having vanished from the bureaucracy…..if the bureaucrats can’t keep track of the children in their care, do,you want to give them another four years with the nuclear weapons, with yet more children? Seriously? Hopefully this is just a paperwork SNAFU, but whatever it is, it should be unacceptable to all people from all walks of life anywhere on the political spectrum.

5. Ukraine/Russia was and is solvable in days or hours, and it is to our eternal discredit that instead of pushing the parties towards peace we nudged Ukraine towards war. Russia will not accept NATO missiles that close to Moscow, just like we wouldn’t accept similar armaments pointing at Washington got. If they were in Montreal. So yes, Biden is responsible for the Ukraine Russia war as are all the neocons of both parties (Lindsay Graham, McConnell, Mike Johnson, the Cheneys on the Republican side…and more).

4. I,put the word “COMBINATION” in ALL CAPS just so you wouldn’t miss it, but somehow you did……I will try the word “aggregate effect” o see if that catches your attention.

I live in Detroit, Michigan which has been ruled by the Democratic Party for 50 years. The entirety of the state apparatus is run by Democrats. So they own the mess they created….my point was, and I thought I fairly obvious, if you add up all the ill effects on society from the skewed, myopic policies of the current Democratic Party elites, even though possibly just mildly irritating and relatively easily surmountable individually, the NET EFFECT on a regular, working class person is devastating……NET CUMULATIVE EFFECT. There is MUCH LESS, not non existent, but MUCH LESS of this nonsense in areas controlled by Republicans these days which is why I and tens of millions of others have walked across the aisle. It isn’t even remotely complicated. It is called “quality of life”. And quality of life issues have gotten drastically worse under successive Democratic administrations at the local, state and national level because the Party has become obsessed with pronouns, micro aggressions, safe spaces, “democracy”, Putin etc….anything but the working class people and values they claim to (and used to) represent.

3. Obviously it isn’t just Biden Harris who are responsible for the cost of living, but dumping trillions of fake dollars into an already overheated economy, combined with for: workers who didn’t take their fucking vaccine, plus paying people to stay home, demonizing us who were “non-essential” puts a fair share of the blame on their shoulders. Trump’s populist bullshit of sending out fake “stimulus” dollars is also, obviously, part of the problem, but Biden Harris put that on steroids, and then made it much worse by their subsequent policy decisions.

2. Kevin Cooper’s case shows that, when given the opportunity to do the right thing, to save an innocent man’s life, Harris will choose what is politically expedient and let him suffer. This is a woman with no moral compass, no convictions, no lodestar besides power, all the “progressive “ rhetoric notwithstanding……..I know I know “Trump bad. Trump bad.”

1. Cheney: I don’t know who made the first call, fairly obviously, but Harris and Cheney appeared on stage together. At a bare, bare minimum, Harris accepted,,publicly the endorsement of a mass murderer and appeared with his daughter, a blood thirsty neo con…..and you don’t see the problem, because, once again “Trump bad. Trump bad”???

Steve, I think you are one of the most gifted and thoughtful writers on race and trans issues, but it really seems as though there is a blind spot when it comes to the whole Trump thing….

Please ask yourself WHY people like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, and myself, and millions and millions of others who were previously very favorably inclined towards Democratic Party values, just said “Fuck it” and abandoned the party they had always supported and been a part of?

You might dislike every one of those people, including me, but, in the interest of getting to the bottom of why so many people just shifted “right”, it might be worthwhile to listen….just listen….

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"“Undermining American intelligence agencies publicly “ is a bad thing in your world ??????"

Also, just on this point (I don't think its worth going back and forth on a 10 point list indefinitely) yes, I think it's bad for the leader of a country to publicly undermine any branch of its military of government. ESPECIALLY when you do so in favour of the despotic, authoritarian leader of a hostile foreign power. I mean, come on! You don't see this?

It's not just a character flaw, it reveals an absolutely catastrophic failure to grasp geopolitics and the systems that build faith and morale in one's country. It demonstrates a willingness to side with anybody, absolutely anybody, who flatters your ego, and the attendant weakness of character. It leads every sane person to worry about where your loyalties actually lie.

Trump was the president at that time. If he has reason to believe there's a problem with the CIA or whoever else, he can and should address it. No problem there. But god, OBVIOUSLY not with the whole world watching. The managers of sports teams have enough sense to understand this!!

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“Fuck it”

This is my issue. This. Again, I have plenty of criticisms of the Democratic Party. I'm about to publish an article laying some of them out. I've never been afraid or unwilling to criticise the Left.

But this throwing your hands up and saying "fuck it," this refusal to hold BOTH political parties to sane, equivalent standards, this abdication of responsibility and focus, this willingness to overlook gross errors of judgement and morality, is dangerous and stupid and just painful short-sighted.

I quite like Rogan and Gabbard, I absolutely loathe Musk while acknowledging that he has made enormous contributions to society (I can't understand how anyone doesn't see through this slimy, pathetic, man-child), I think the brain worm might have gotten too much of RFK, and I obviously have no problem with you at all, but I think you're all badly wrong to support Trump blindly. Or worse, to put your brains and your moral compasses on hiatus when it comes to him because you hate the Democrats.

I am listening. It's just that some of what I'm hearing is categorically insane. Or is based in a fantasy world every bit as delusional and dangerous as the woke Left. I'll be making the case for this point of view over the next few weeks. I'll be interested in your thoughts.

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Joe's avatar

Quite my point…. if you evaluate both major party candidates in the last election by their proven track record, but the same standards, it wasn’t even a close call.

Once again, there’s nothing close to blind support from the people I know who pulled the lever for Trump. It’s much closer to scenario where we were in a boat teetering on the precipice Niagara Falls with 100% certainty that we would crash and perish and somebody threw us a life ring. I don’t know if we’re gonna be able to catch the ring or if so, we’ll make it to shore, but at least it’s a fighting chance for survival which we did not have with the Biden regime.

I don’t support or even know much about Elon Musk but I was extremely happy when he bought Twitter and gave the free speech advocates in the world someplace to go at least for now.

He may or may not be slimy, but I was pointing out that he was a lifelong left of Center, Democrat as were all the other people I had mentioned. Add to the first list the journalists Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi, long time, principled left of center bloggers and writers who have been persecuted relentlessly by the Biden security state. There’s a pattern here worth noticing: all the people I mentioned I’ve stayed fairly consistent to their values and positions, but the Democratic Party took a massive lurch to the authoritarian war mongering anti first Amendment side leaving many people with no political Home

Add to that the disastrous economic policies, the national disgrace at the border the bizarre and perverse dictation on cultural stuff like pronouns and sex changes for teenagers and you get what we just saw. I think it was something like 70% of Hispanics in South Texas voted Republican this past election…..who would have thunk…..

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