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Rogue4Gay's avatar

"A shift away from this divisive, reality-denying tribalism, a shift away from identifying ourselves and each other with our political opinions, a shift away from a world where vitriol and outrage and attempted insurrections are our only means of communication."

This statement is so laced with inherent contradictions.

You suggest a "shift" but only on your terms.

If you judge it as "reality-denying tribalism", its not a shift.

If you judge it as an "insurrection" its not a shift.

The shift starts with you. Can you just listen and empathize with someone you judge as "reality-denying tribalism". Can you listen and not judge someone who doesn't feel 1/6 was an "insurrection".

Can you and I have a non divisive interaction?

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"Can you and I have a non divisive interaction?"

I'm really not sure. Because you seem to want me to write articles in which I express nothing at all. You act as if words like "insurrection" or "tribalism" or even "reality-denial" (and what was it last time? "Illegal" and "independence"?) are these wholly subjective concepts that I think I'm the master of.

Okay, so then what am I ever supposed to say about anything?? I can't see how anything would satisfy you other than:

"Some people think that storming the capitol and beating cops with the American flag and shouting 'hang Mike Pence' in front of the gallows they erected was a bad thing.

But who am I to say? They obviously thought it was great! So if I criticise them, I'm trying to define acceptable behaviour on 'my terms.'

Forget the rule of law, forget the will of the people, forget any semblance of respect for the constitution or the principles of a democracy, the most important thing is that I 'both-sides' everything to the point of meaninglessness."

I don't care whether you call it an insurrection or a coup or a riot. I've written several times about the dangers of getting hung up on particular words. As long as you acknowledge the facts of what happened and what it was designed to do and that what it was designed to do was bad. It was bad even though it failed.

If you can't acknowledge the facts of what happened despite all the video evidence, that's reality-denial. If you would lose your mind if the Democrats did this but make excuses for the Republicans, that's tribalism. What exactly are you struggling with here?

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