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Steve QJ's avatar

🤣🤣🤣Holy crap, okay man. So you're dismissing an article you're now claiming you didn't even read, and that contains exactly the kind of analysis you say you wanted, as "boring" and "shit you can get anywhere."

In fact, given that I haven't seen anybody else talking about Madagascar specifically, I strongly suspect you heard about the insanity of the Madagascar tariffs from me, and then forgot where you heard it.

What, exactly, am I supposed to do with this? You're admitting the source of your issue isn't the article itself (again, the content of the article is what you're claiming to want), so what am I supposed to attribute your reaction to except the fact that I'm criticising Trump? I'm all ears for alternative explanations.

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DAVID FORSMARK's avatar

That said, now that I've gone back and read the whole thing, there actually are some nuggets buried in the slag of unnecessary hyperbole. If you'd let them speak for themselves without all the cliched Orange Rich Man Bad And Oh Did I Mention He's Rich stuff, I would have gotten to them. It is MUCH better, however, than Lawrence O'Donnell.

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Steve QJ's avatar

If only we'd started here, eh? Would have saved us both some time and energy. Although, as I said below, I'm curious where you think I was hyperbolic.

Trump's wealth is obviously relevant when we're talking about his impact on the economy. That's not hyperbole, nor did I exaggerate it. [Edit: In fact, having gone back and had another look, I barely even mentioned his wealth at all!! There's literally just one mild allusion to it. Seriously! What exactly are you reacting to?!! Because it sure seems like your problem is criticism of "the orange man"😅]

I just used it to demonstrate a defining characteristic of Trump and the flaw in much of his decision making, namely that he doesn't think about how his actions will affect ordinary people, aka ~90% of Americans, and this is a real problem for a president.

Add in his narcissism and his genuinely mind-blowing ignorance and I think it's the kind of thing that's worth talking/writing about.

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DAVID FORSMARK's avatar

Ismael Hernandez

The GDP of Madagascar is 15.8 billion. The GDP of Fort Myers-Cape Coral in Florida is 50 billion. In 2023 the per capita income of people in Madagascar was $506 a year. That is, people there earn $1.38 cents a day. It is one of the poorest countries on earth.

We have a trade deficit with them so we are imposing a tariff. That is odious. We cannot have a trade equilibrium with them and this has nothing to do with their imposition of tariffs on us. They could impose a 100% tariff on us and that will mean nothing to us.

Madagascar's main exports are vanilla, cloves, nickel, and textiles, with vanilla being a particularly significant global export, especially to France. So, they will always sell to us more than we can ever sell to them simply because people in Madagascar cannot afford virtually anything we have to sell! The trade deficit with them is not due to Madagascar imposing trade barriers on us. As it is almost always the case, the reasons why there are trade imbalances are multiple and they are not due to “cheating.”

In fact, the trade deficit with Madagascar is very good for us because we get vanilla, cloves, cobalt, titanium, nickel, and textiles from them.

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DAVID FORSMARK's avatar

Nope, I saw it on National Review, AND a friend of mine posted a rather long analysis of it. I got about halfway through yours when my eyes glazed over at the hyperbole. Maybe I said something similar once before. I really don't remember.

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Steve QJ's avatar

Oh, okay, fair enough. The fact that Madagascar's alleged tariff rate was so high immediately drew my eye. I guess it was the same for others. That still doesn't address the silliness of attacking an article you haven't read. Or your motivations for attacking it that have nothing to do with Trump criticism.

And please, feel free to point out the hyperbole that made you're eyes "glaze over," I'm pretty sure everything in the article is well referenced fact.

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