Spot on, again. I hadn't seen Whoopi and the emancipation proclamation comment. It's hard for me to believe that some people really genuinely feel this in their bones, but apparently they do. It's warped and I frankly feel some despair about it. For all colors - you're either irredeemably oppressed or need to genuflect for centuries old sins. So much misspent collective angst.
Spot on, again. I hadn't seen Whoopi and the emancipation proclamation comment. It's hard for me to believe that some people really genuinely feel this in their bones, but apparently they do. It's warped and I frankly feel some despair about it. For all colors - you're either irredeemably oppressed or need to genuflect for centuries old sins. So much misspent collective angst.
"It's hard for me to believe that some people really genuinely feel this in their bones, but apparently they do."
Honestly? It's impossible for me to believe. I think it's just a nice warm cloak that people have gotten used to wrapping around themselves.
I mean, Whoopi Goldberg is a multi-millionaire with a glittering career who made these comments while hosting a television programme. How is it even conceivable that she feels in her bones that black people haven't made any progress since the emancipation proclamation?
I've challenged countless people when they say things like this and not once have they really defended the position. If trying to drape the oppression of 400 years of ancestry over themselves doesn't get the result they want (it doesn't) it's almost inevitably insults (often racist insults) followed by blocking. These people are frauds.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but right on. I haven't had a fraction of the interactions you have, but it's invariably absent of content or there is one emotionally potent example they highlight as if it's supposed to sum up "the black experience". When I offer my view, or any alternative view, or data - it's racial insults and blocking the vast majority of the time.
I don't think a fully fledged neo-progressive ever loses any argument - in their own minds. That ideology not only normalizes but downright valorizes the use of ad hominem attacks - if you can't win by reason, call the person with whom you disagree some name, which in their minds invalidates anything the person has said. A life of easy wins.
Without a shared enemy, people immersed in this ideology will turn the same intolerance and fallacious tools on each other in a flash. The ideology does not value reciprocity, mutual respect, compromise, agreeing to disagree, or diversity of thought. It would be disastrous to build a new society based on their limited toolset of human relations - it would turn into perpetual struggle between self-righteous tribes whose worldview is dogmatic and intolerant.
Concept like freedom of speech work because they are reciprocal - you get to speak freely but you have to allow the other person to do so as well, even grudgingly. You get something in return for what you give, a balance which can be compatible with self interest as well as with compassion.
Once the transaction becomes "you owe me in perpetuity and I have no need to ever treat you with the respect I demand of you", there is not enough social mortar to keep the structure intact. The guilt/resentment dynamics relies on a sufficiently robust outer society operating on other rules to survive as a niche. If and when it achieves the total control it has convinced itself it needs for safety, and deserves as recompense for past evil, it would undermine itself rapidly.
And alas, that's the effect I believe they are beginning to have on our society, as it erodes our commonality and rapport and replaces them with valorized tribal conflict as a permanent state.
The amazing thing is that many of the devotees are nice people who have good intentions. The power of ideology as a mind virus is frightening.
Spot on, again. I hadn't seen Whoopi and the emancipation proclamation comment. It's hard for me to believe that some people really genuinely feel this in their bones, but apparently they do. It's warped and I frankly feel some despair about it. For all colors - you're either irredeemably oppressed or need to genuflect for centuries old sins. So much misspent collective angst.
"It's hard for me to believe that some people really genuinely feel this in their bones, but apparently they do."
Honestly? It's impossible for me to believe. I think it's just a nice warm cloak that people have gotten used to wrapping around themselves.
I mean, Whoopi Goldberg is a multi-millionaire with a glittering career who made these comments while hosting a television programme. How is it even conceivable that she feels in her bones that black people haven't made any progress since the emancipation proclamation?
I've challenged countless people when they say things like this and not once have they really defended the position. If trying to drape the oppression of 400 years of ancestry over themselves doesn't get the result they want (it doesn't) it's almost inevitably insults (often racist insults) followed by blocking. These people are frauds.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but right on. I haven't had a fraction of the interactions you have, but it's invariably absent of content or there is one emotionally potent example they highlight as if it's supposed to sum up "the black experience". When I offer my view, or any alternative view, or data - it's racial insults and blocking the vast majority of the time.
I don't think a fully fledged neo-progressive ever loses any argument - in their own minds. That ideology not only normalizes but downright valorizes the use of ad hominem attacks - if you can't win by reason, call the person with whom you disagree some name, which in their minds invalidates anything the person has said. A life of easy wins.
Without a shared enemy, people immersed in this ideology will turn the same intolerance and fallacious tools on each other in a flash. The ideology does not value reciprocity, mutual respect, compromise, agreeing to disagree, or diversity of thought. It would be disastrous to build a new society based on their limited toolset of human relations - it would turn into perpetual struggle between self-righteous tribes whose worldview is dogmatic and intolerant.
Concept like freedom of speech work because they are reciprocal - you get to speak freely but you have to allow the other person to do so as well, even grudgingly. You get something in return for what you give, a balance which can be compatible with self interest as well as with compassion.
Once the transaction becomes "you owe me in perpetuity and I have no need to ever treat you with the respect I demand of you", there is not enough social mortar to keep the structure intact. The guilt/resentment dynamics relies on a sufficiently robust outer society operating on other rules to survive as a niche. If and when it achieves the total control it has convinced itself it needs for safety, and deserves as recompense for past evil, it would undermine itself rapidly.
And alas, that's the effect I believe they are beginning to have on our society, as it erodes our commonality and rapport and replaces them with valorized tribal conflict as a permanent state.
The amazing thing is that many of the devotees are nice people who have good intentions. The power of ideology as a mind virus is frightening.