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Delicate Flower's avatar

I think Steve speaks like a foreigner. I usually agree with him quite a lot, but for someone outside the country to snipe at us without being here, experiencing life and the constitution, it doesn’t work. America has always been a violent place, much more so than Sweden, England, or Britain. Steve can dish out a stream of unworkable ideas, but that doesn’t really help. The solution isn’t “fix the gun problem”. People were armed to the teeth 50 years with rather nasty guns, but people didn’t kill each other nearly as much. How hard was it to get a gun 50 years ago? I believe far easier than today. Gun regulations arose to stop black people, like the black panthers, from getting guns. There is a societal shift that has caused this uptick and that has to be addressed rather than magical solutions that never actually work. Ban people under 21 from having guns? Works great for alcohol and cigarettes. Steve’s wrong about the murder statistics. Murder decreased steadily since the assault weapons ban ended, not increased (at least until the 1619 crime surge). If it was as easy as Steve says, we’d have done it already. Are we mentally paralyzed and need Steve on his high, British throne to dispense his wisdom to us unwashed colonials? No thank you.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

I'm a big fan of Steve and agree with him most of the time. While a bit harsh, you just mentioned something I'd never considered that could explain, "𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘢𝘯 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘨𝘶𝘯𝘴? 𝘕𝘰 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘮. 𝘛𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘢 𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘧 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘈𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘢'𝘴 𝘣𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘢𝘯 𝘴𝘦𝘮𝘪-𝘢𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘤 𝘸𝘦𝘢𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴." Banning magazine fed semiautomatic firearms is 𝗧𝗛𝗘 problem that prevents a political solution like that in America. Steve does methodical research for his articles but in this case, I think he badly missed the mark. I don't know his nationality but that could explain his "no problem" thought.

Google research doesn't help with regard to how many of America's firearms are semiautomatic. It is unknow to all except perhaps to the domestic spying that Snowden told us about. Go to a gun store, not a Wall-Mart, and see what's selling. Go to a rifle range like Ben Avery in Arizona and see what people are shooting. I'm a dinosaur and when I was still hunting, I used a bolt action rifle and thought anemic rifles like AR-15s were unethical because they were less likely to get a clean kill like a .30 caliber on a deer. Now it seems that young hunters are using AR-15s and semiautomatic rifles with more powerful rounds than .223 caliber.

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P. Eldred's avatar

The decline in the murder rate started in the 90s and continued steadily until recently, but Steve didn't say the murder rate increased post-2004. His claim was that the rate of mass shootings heavily increased after the expiration of the assault weapons ban, and this is true. You can have an increase of one type of murder while other types of murder continue to decrease.

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Delicate Flower's avatar

Who cares whether the murders are @mass” or not? They went down. I believe Steve is talking about murder in general.

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P. Eldred's avatar

That would go against what he actually wrote:

"Why did the mass shootings only start happening a couple of decades ago? Well, as I said, partly because the assault weapons ban expired."

The reason people care is because just because the broad category of all murder went down does not make it less concerning that a subset of murder has skyrocketed. All you've done is conceal the problem in the way you've chosen to bucket the data.

If traffic deaths were in heavy decline but Ford Focuses have started to randomly explode at an alarming rate killing all occupants that doesn't mean you shouldn't have a talk with Ford about quality control (and criminal negligence) just because all the other manufacturers are picking up the slack for them with safer cars.

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Delicate Flower's avatar

This doesn’t address anything I am actually arguing. But we didn’t have mass shootings before the assault weapons ban. Very little. Steve has done a little work in this area, but really doesn’t get it. What’s his next task? Solve economic inequality in South Africa? End gang violence in Nicaragua? Solve the Arab-Israel conflict? Easy peazy, just like solving mass shootings in a foreign country.

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