The title of this post reads like an ad hominem attack. As I think about it, I don't think it IS such an attack since the reasoning behind it is logically grounded in the behavior of the person you are describing. Indeed I agree with the caricature of the left as a valid and important criticism.
The title of this post reads like an ad hominem attack. As I think about it, I don't think it IS such an attack since the reasoning behind it is logically grounded in the behavior of the person you are describing. Indeed I agree with the caricature of the left as a valid and important criticism.
Still I am not convinced the tone or framing is so helpful. It is a broad and sweeping generalization... indeed reminiscent of the very kind that you correctly claim the left sometimes does. that is not ideal. Also, presumably our goal here is to affect positive change within the liberal side of the world here. But calling someone a child is perhaps not the best starting point.
Now maybe this 'commentary' substack is not really the audience you hope to affect, so it is ok to "let your hair down" among kindred spirits. I guess so. But for me, the million dollar question is how can one affect positive change away from this behavior that we all agree is quite damaging?
my very partial thought on that question is that one needs to acknowledge this tendency to simplify and attack is pretty universal, so nothing to be ashamed of, but still something to be corrected.... promoting positivity around the admission that everyone is human, and any raising of any group above such status is in accurate and ultimately destructive.
I am not sure here. The push back I get when I speak to a leftie is usually denial, or an argument that two wrongs can indeed make right. that injustices of the past legitimizes bad behavior of the aggrieved group in the present. Of course I don't support either argument, but the question is how to be highlight its flaws in a way the listener 'gets it'. (no answers here, just questions)
"Still I am not convinced the tone or framing is so helpful."
Haha, no, I don't think the tone and framing are helpful at all! Note, the title of the post is a quote from Stefan. Those aren't my words and it's framing I would be extremely unlikely to use with regards to any group. It's just a bit of a tradition here to use a snippet from the conversation (usually from the commenter) as a title.
I have been engaging with some of the videos at The Daily Evolver which looks at woke ideology through the lens of human evolution and spirituality. It is very interesting and thought provoking.
He steps back to look at the bigger view of what is going on in woke ideology. He talks about it in terms of paradigm shifts - specifically in terms of consciousness and expansion of sensitivity - which are necessarily chaotic and often violent. I find that it makes a great deal of sense to me but that is likely because I agree with his basic premise that life is a spiritual journey.
The title of this post reads like an ad hominem attack. As I think about it, I don't think it IS such an attack since the reasoning behind it is logically grounded in the behavior of the person you are describing. Indeed I agree with the caricature of the left as a valid and important criticism.
Still I am not convinced the tone or framing is so helpful. It is a broad and sweeping generalization... indeed reminiscent of the very kind that you correctly claim the left sometimes does. that is not ideal. Also, presumably our goal here is to affect positive change within the liberal side of the world here. But calling someone a child is perhaps not the best starting point.
Now maybe this 'commentary' substack is not really the audience you hope to affect, so it is ok to "let your hair down" among kindred spirits. I guess so. But for me, the million dollar question is how can one affect positive change away from this behavior that we all agree is quite damaging?
my very partial thought on that question is that one needs to acknowledge this tendency to simplify and attack is pretty universal, so nothing to be ashamed of, but still something to be corrected.... promoting positivity around the admission that everyone is human, and any raising of any group above such status is in accurate and ultimately destructive.
I am not sure here. The push back I get when I speak to a leftie is usually denial, or an argument that two wrongs can indeed make right. that injustices of the past legitimizes bad behavior of the aggrieved group in the present. Of course I don't support either argument, but the question is how to be highlight its flaws in a way the listener 'gets it'. (no answers here, just questions)
"Still I am not convinced the tone or framing is so helpful."
Haha, no, I don't think the tone and framing are helpful at all! Note, the title of the post is a quote from Stefan. Those aren't my words and it's framing I would be extremely unlikely to use with regards to any group. It's just a bit of a tradition here to use a snippet from the conversation (usually from the commenter) as a title.
Also, this: https://www.dailyevolver.com/2021/12/the-lefts-split-woke-and-anti-woke/
"Evolutions is beautiful, but not pretty." –Jeff Salzman
I have been engaging with some of the videos at The Daily Evolver which looks at woke ideology through the lens of human evolution and spirituality. It is very interesting and thought provoking.
I recommend in particular, this one: https://www.dailyevolver.com/2020/08/whats-so-good-about-woke/ Transcript if you prefer to read. https://www.dailyevolver.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/WOKE-PODCAST-1.pdf
He steps back to look at the bigger view of what is going on in woke ideology. He talks about it in terms of paradigm shifts - specifically in terms of consciousness and expansion of sensitivity - which are necessarily chaotic and often violent. I find that it makes a great deal of sense to me but that is likely because I agree with his basic premise that life is a spiritual journey.
It might help if you read this: https://www.dailyevolver.com/jeff-salzman/ and this https://www.dailyevolver.com/theory/ to understand his color references.