NHJ & others might well be slaves *today* if their ancestors hadn't come here first, forcibly or not. Parts of Africa are still very big on buying, selling, trading, and owning human beings.
NHJ & others might well be slaves *today* if their ancestors hadn't come here first, forcibly or not. Parts of Africa are still very big on buying, selling, trading, and owning human beings.
Thank You, Nicole. I've heard that slavery still exists today, but I've never seen any specifics. Well, I know girls and women can be forced into sex slavery, but not much about it.
It's hard for me to conceive of it.. That it still hasn't been eliminated in this (supposedly advanced) day and age. TY again.
The minimum wage increased to $1.65/hour in 1968. I got paid $1.65 in the summer of that year.
It increased slower than inflation and it has been frozen at $7.25 since 2009. had it tracked inflation and productivity it would be about $24/hour now, more than thrice what it is.
If this isn't slavery, it will substitute just fine until the real thing comes along, as it will if Republicans maintain power.
I was just "talking" with a woman in Australia Saturday. They break minimum wage down by industry and AGE. I dunno about doing it by industry. The bureaucracy involved may not be worth it.
But here's the thing about minimum wage going up: It prices kids outta the market. Who's gonna pay an inexperienced kid $24/ hour? They are, unfortunately, not WORTH that kind-a mondy. So they'll only accept experienced workers at that rate, and then the kids can't GET experience. Vicious circle time.
So I believe there should be carve outs, by age. That's just me.
Well, you can substitute any group you don't want to pay a living wage for "kids" and have the same justification. Facct is that full time at $24/hour is $48K per year, half of which would go to rent in a basement apartment in a lot of cities. It is not much money.
However. Conservatives are constantly making the same forecast and it is not borne out in practice. Even fast food places that pay twice or more than MW don't go out of business; as others do the same, employees have more buying power and lift all boats.
In the Wizzard of Oz they followed the yellow brick (gold bars) road to find the Wizzard of Oz (the Federal Reserve) that gave the straw man a piece of paper (diploma) in lieu of a brain (gold). Think the creature from Jekyll Island. Roosevelt in 33 and Nixon in 71 detached us from the gold standard and crushed us with inflation.
The digital dollar is coming. We will be slaves in the truest sense since the government will no longer need to send men with guns to render you without and currency except barter for private transactions. I told you in the past how the government shut off my wife's access to her bank account without explanation over a form. And of course, there is the tyrant in Canada and what he did to protesting truckers.
I recommend lead (ammunition) as the barter currency for the new digital dollar world. Tyrants are frantic to disarm the citizenry who will increasingly want to overthrow the system. Serfs, subjects and slaves have historically been disarmed by tyrants. We are headed for universal financial slavery.
My recommendation for ammunition as barter currency when we are subjected to the E-Dollar was not a political statement. You won't be able to spend any gold you have for small things. Gold coins and ingots are not easily divisible. Junk silver coins work somewhat for that, but ammunition will be truly valuable and easily divisible.
Individual rounds thru boxes of .22LR, .308WIN, .223, etc. will have very high value when all of your transactions are controlled and monitored. People will be more prone to trade some food or medical supplies for ammunition that precious metals in the gravest extreme.
A Mormon friend once remarked, "Do you think that when the SHTF people will be able to take their guns out into the desert and hunt?" It was a sobering moment for him when I said, some of them plan to come take your large family year supply of food that Mormons are known to maintain. Can you defend it?
I've known too many people who fled to America from collapsed communist countries to think it couldn't happen here. As one used to say, we are three days from barbarism. The majority of people are absolutely dependent upon food and products trucked in on a daily basis.
I don't know why you chant NRA, Hitler, etc. Democrats vs Republicans is just posing as good cop, bad cop. They are owned by their donors and the donors are all business. Interest groups are no different, they are marketing marketing for the businesses.
Business are apolitical but they do deal in illusion to keep us in the matrix. Send money to keep me in office to fight for you. Corporatism. Politicians create winners and losers with their laws and regulations and invest accordingly (the ultimate inside traders).
The left wing/right wing crap is just about keeping us at each other's throats and believing one of them actually give a crap about us. The true believer politicians are the useful idiots of the people who are really running the show.
Nobody is saying the Democrats are angelic, corruption-free, or effectual, they are amply distinguishable from the Republicans. Republicans aren't merely beholden to donors, they are actively and deliberately cruel, and cruelty has become their core value. That breaks the symmetry.
As you know I view people and issues, not monolithic groups. It is absurd to align with the checklist of a party since the items are about trying to gain support from subgroups.
Thanks to having contributed to politicians and issue-based organizations the flood me with email and snail mail requests for donations. Some think I'm a Democrat, some think I'm a Republican. I also hear from people who are not just issue based, but politically partisan hard left and hard right. The farther left and right, the more alike they are with only the names of their demons changing. What you just wrote about Republicans often gets justifiably written by Republicans aimed at Democrats.
When I say something in support of one tribe's view, or negative about one I get the same type of response from left and right when they disagree. Not just on the issue, but the whole damned tribe.
As time goes an I am less inclined to participate in which group is worse arguments. A case can be made for both. Typically, people who do that do it in accordance with bias created by the issues most important to them. It is oh so tempting to respond with examples of cruelty associated with Democrats, but I'm just not going to do it. It is an exercise in futility and frustration. I could argue for either side, except I am not "for" either side. I spent my entire voting life voting against, based upon the idea or who would do less harm. Would you rather get the shit kicked out of you by Frank or Roy? Hell of a choice.
No, I wouldn't substitute any group, just because I didn't wanna pay a living wage.
I'm just stating the fact that kids with no experience aren't gonna be able to get any experience if the wage rate goes up too high. Not to mention that kids aren't normally supporting a family (nor sometimes themselves), so it's not as great a burden as it sounds like if they don't get the wages of an adult.
I would not argue your point about kids living with their parents. For them it's spending money. But for people who need to pay rent and buy food, I'd stick to it, or at least something like $15-20.
One modern method is the promise of a good expat job that becomes slavery when your passport is confiscated by your new e╠╢m╠╢p╠╢l╠╢o╠╢y╠╢e╠╢r╠╢ owner.
I don't know of it happening in the US and to the best of my knowledge is most common to people from so called 3rd world nations.
One related exception was told to me by a Marine embassy guard from Kuwait. Woman shows up with no ID. Met Abdulla in the US. He was a wonderful guy, married him and went to Kuwait. Discovered she was not the only wife; he was a very different man in his own country. She wants the hell out, but he has her passport and all of her ID. This was not a single occurrence.
When I lived in Saudi Arabia my employer had my whole family's passports locked up. A had an iqama a work permit that had my wife and daughters' pictures in the back. If a Mutawa (religious policeman) challenged them being with me, I could show them that. My employer had to authorize us getting an exit/reentry or exit only visa to leave the country. I was a contractor to an American country so it was not as likely to be a problem as it could have been had I worked directly for a Saudi company.
If you don't have control of your passport, you are potentially a slave.
NHJ & others might well be slaves *today* if their ancestors hadn't come here first, forcibly or not. Parts of Africa are still very big on buying, selling, trading, and owning human beings.
Thank You, Nicole. I've heard that slavery still exists today, but I've never seen any specifics. Well, I know girls and women can be forced into sex slavery, but not much about it.
It's hard for me to conceive of it.. That it still hasn't been eliminated in this (supposedly advanced) day and age. TY again.
The minimum wage increased to $1.65/hour in 1968. I got paid $1.65 in the summer of that year.
It increased slower than inflation and it has been frozen at $7.25 since 2009. had it tracked inflation and productivity it would be about $24/hour now, more than thrice what it is.
If this isn't slavery, it will substitute just fine until the real thing comes along, as it will if Republicans maintain power.
TY, Sir Chris. You make good points.
I was just "talking" with a woman in Australia Saturday. They break minimum wage down by industry and AGE. I dunno about doing it by industry. The bureaucracy involved may not be worth it.
But here's the thing about minimum wage going up: It prices kids outta the market. Who's gonna pay an inexperienced kid $24/ hour? They are, unfortunately, not WORTH that kind-a mondy. So they'll only accept experienced workers at that rate, and then the kids can't GET experience. Vicious circle time.
So I believe there should be carve outs, by age. That's just me.
Well, you can substitute any group you don't want to pay a living wage for "kids" and have the same justification. Facct is that full time at $24/hour is $48K per year, half of which would go to rent in a basement apartment in a lot of cities. It is not much money.
However. Conservatives are constantly making the same forecast and it is not borne out in practice. Even fast food places that pay twice or more than MW don't go out of business; as others do the same, employees have more buying power and lift all boats.
More later I need to do my treadmill.
In the Wizzard of Oz they followed the yellow brick (gold bars) road to find the Wizzard of Oz (the Federal Reserve) that gave the straw man a piece of paper (diploma) in lieu of a brain (gold). Think the creature from Jekyll Island. Roosevelt in 33 and Nixon in 71 detached us from the gold standard and crushed us with inflation.
The digital dollar is coming. We will be slaves in the truest sense since the government will no longer need to send men with guns to render you without and currency except barter for private transactions. I told you in the past how the government shut off my wife's access to her bank account without explanation over a form. And of course, there is the tyrant in Canada and what he did to protesting truckers.
I recommend lead (ammunition) as the barter currency for the new digital dollar world. Tyrants are frantic to disarm the citizenry who will increasingly want to overthrow the system. Serfs, subjects and slaves have historically been disarmed by tyrants. We are headed for universal financial slavery.
Yeah, that's why Hitler disarmed the Germans.
Oh, wait, no, he didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_argument
I hope you don't think that NRA types are going to unite against right-wing / financial tyranny .... au ccontraire, that's exactly what they want.
My recommendation for ammunition as barter currency when we are subjected to the E-Dollar was not a political statement. You won't be able to spend any gold you have for small things. Gold coins and ingots are not easily divisible. Junk silver coins work somewhat for that, but ammunition will be truly valuable and easily divisible.
Individual rounds thru boxes of .22LR, .308WIN, .223, etc. will have very high value when all of your transactions are controlled and monitored. People will be more prone to trade some food or medical supplies for ammunition that precious metals in the gravest extreme.
A Mormon friend once remarked, "Do you think that when the SHTF people will be able to take their guns out into the desert and hunt?" It was a sobering moment for him when I said, some of them plan to come take your large family year supply of food that Mormons are known to maintain. Can you defend it?
I've known too many people who fled to America from collapsed communist countries to think it couldn't happen here. As one used to say, we are three days from barbarism. The majority of people are absolutely dependent upon food and products trucked in on a daily basis.
I don't know why you chant NRA, Hitler, etc. Democrats vs Republicans is just posing as good cop, bad cop. They are owned by their donors and the donors are all business. Interest groups are no different, they are marketing marketing for the businesses.
Business are apolitical but they do deal in illusion to keep us in the matrix. Send money to keep me in office to fight for you. Corporatism. Politicians create winners and losers with their laws and regulations and invest accordingly (the ultimate inside traders).
The left wing/right wing crap is just about keeping us at each other's throats and believing one of them actually give a crap about us. The true believer politicians are the useful idiots of the people who are really running the show.
This is sloppy thinking, and beneath you.
Nobody is saying the Democrats are angelic, corruption-free, or effectual, they are amply distinguishable from the Republicans. Republicans aren't merely beholden to donors, they are actively and deliberately cruel, and cruelty has become their core value. That breaks the symmetry.
As you know I view people and issues, not monolithic groups. It is absurd to align with the checklist of a party since the items are about trying to gain support from subgroups.
Thanks to having contributed to politicians and issue-based organizations the flood me with email and snail mail requests for donations. Some think I'm a Democrat, some think I'm a Republican. I also hear from people who are not just issue based, but politically partisan hard left and hard right. The farther left and right, the more alike they are with only the names of their demons changing. What you just wrote about Republicans often gets justifiably written by Republicans aimed at Democrats.
When I say something in support of one tribe's view, or negative about one I get the same type of response from left and right when they disagree. Not just on the issue, but the whole damned tribe.
As time goes an I am less inclined to participate in which group is worse arguments. A case can be made for both. Typically, people who do that do it in accordance with bias created by the issues most important to them. It is oh so tempting to respond with examples of cruelty associated with Democrats, but I'm just not going to do it. It is an exercise in futility and frustration. I could argue for either side, except I am not "for" either side. I spent my entire voting life voting against, based upon the idea or who would do less harm. Would you rather get the shit kicked out of you by Frank or Roy? Hell of a choice.
Thank You. I think it's funny how both sides think they hold the high moral ground. Fervently.
I was always registered Independent. Only lately became one.
Well they sure as hell weren't there to defend the Capitol against a violent insurrection. They WERE the violent insurrection.
No, I wouldn't substitute any group, just because I didn't wanna pay a living wage.
I'm just stating the fact that kids with no experience aren't gonna be able to get any experience if the wage rate goes up too high. Not to mention that kids aren't normally supporting a family (nor sometimes themselves), so it's not as great a burden as it sounds like if they don't get the wages of an adult.
Can we agree that $7.25 is way too low?
TY. To make a short story long: From what You posted earlier, I don't think we can possibly disagree. TY again, Sir.
I would not argue your point about kids living with their parents. For them it's spending money. But for people who need to pay rent and buy food, I'd stick to it, or at least something like $15-20.
When people working full time jobs canтАЩt house themselves, eat properly and have medical care all at the same time, slavery is alive and well.
TY. In a way, true that.
https://www.amren.com/news/2019/07/africa-is-again-the-worlds-epicenter-of-modern-day-slavery/
Thank You. Funny that I haven't heard BLM rioting about this.
One modern method is the promise of a good expat job that becomes slavery when your passport is confiscated by your new e╠╢m╠╢p╠╢l╠╢o╠╢y╠╢e╠╢r╠╢ owner.
TY Sir Dave,
Vicious.
Does this happens in the U.S. too? Well, thinkin on it: I'm not sure that some illegals aren't in similar situation.
I don't know of it happening in the US and to the best of my knowledge is most common to people from so called 3rd world nations.
One related exception was told to me by a Marine embassy guard from Kuwait. Woman shows up with no ID. Met Abdulla in the US. He was a wonderful guy, married him and went to Kuwait. Discovered she was not the only wife; he was a very different man in his own country. She wants the hell out, but he has her passport and all of her ID. This was not a single occurrence.
When I lived in Saudi Arabia my employer had my whole family's passports locked up. A had an iqama a work permit that had my wife and daughters' pictures in the back. If a Mutawa (religious policeman) challenged them being with me, I could show them that. My employer had to authorize us getting an exit/reentry or exit only visa to leave the country. I was a contractor to an American country so it was not as likely to be a problem as it could have been had I worked directly for a Saudi company.
If you don't have control of your passport, you are potentially a slave.
TY. But man-oh, man-oh! (Makes me glad I don't HAVE a passport. ;-)