"As a queer person, I enjoy spending time in queer venues."
Yeah, as I was just saying to Miguelitro, there's an important distinction to be made between cultural groupings and physical characteristic groupings. There's some overlap, of course, but the former is infinitely more valid than the latter.
"As a queer person, I enjoy spending time in queer venues."
Yeah, as I was just saying to Miguelitro, there's an important distinction to be made between cultural groupings and physical characteristic groupings. There's some overlap, of course, but the former is infinitely more valid than the latter.
LGBT-only spaces (sorry, I can't bring myself to embrace the Q-word), culturally specific spaces, religious spaces, I don't think there's any problem with these. But white-only spaces? Or black-only spaces? That's a different animal. Which is why I think they led to controversy. I've given serious thought to creating some kind of "workplace diversity done right" programme.🤔
I also hate the term BIPOC (I wrote an article about it) again, because it links people together who have no real point of connection except that they're not white. I think Asians, Latinos etc. are usually included in BIPOC, no? Anyway, as I've said many times before, humanity probably isn't going to outgrow tribes any time soon. I just wish we were better at making those tribes meaningful.
"sorry, I can't bring myself to embrace the Q-word"
yeah, I hear that. especially nowadays. (also I get why older/boomer gays would resist the word.) I've been using it since the 90s as a catch-all for LGB, so it's just another word for that acronym to me. what makes me want to resist it these days is the frequency of straight people using it to describe themselves. that's kind of a joke to me, worthy of a sneer or at least an eyeroll. I actually got in an argument with my youngest staffer over this usage - I guess it's common in Gen Z? anyway, I think straight people using it is super performative and cringey, akin to calling yourself a demisexual.
"I also hate the term BIPOC (I wrote an article about it) ... I think Asians, Latinos etc. are usually included in BIPOC, no?"
hey can you link to that article? I think I must have missed it.
yep, Asians etc. are included in the catch-all POC part of BIPOC, which is exactly what I find diminishing & othering. at least the standalone "POC", for all its flaws, equalizes all "people of color" rather than uplifting Black & Indigenous as apparently the most important POC, the rest can just be thrown together in the POC part. It's like if "LGBT" was "GaysEtc" - Gays taking precedence, lesbians & bis & trans tossed together into Etc.
And yeah, as with so many other things "queer" has just become a way for people who want to gain a few points on the victimhood hierarchy to claim they're oppressed. Oh, you kissed somebody of the same sex in college or had an open relationship once? Welcome to Q+!!
“sorry, I can't bring myself to embrace the Q word”
You’ll find very few gay men over a certain age who don’t find it as offensive as the N word.
“Queer” is what hundreds, maybe thousands, have had shouted at them as their teeth were knocked out and their noses flattened.
Like the friend I visited in the hospital in 1982, all his incisors gone and one eye damaged to uselessness.
Mark, I would appreciate you not using that vile word. And don’t dick me around with “reclaimed” or “language evolves.” This is a PTSD level issue. My watch tells me my heart rate went to 135 when I read it.
“I also hate the term BIPOC (I wrote an article about it) again, because it links people together who have no real point of connection except that they're”
Same as I feel about everything after “LGB.”
Now they’re even being “inclusive” with prostitutes.
I never heard if anyone pretending to be LGB. But nearly every T is pretending.
"As a queer person, I enjoy spending time in queer venues."
Yeah, as I was just saying to Miguelitro, there's an important distinction to be made between cultural groupings and physical characteristic groupings. There's some overlap, of course, but the former is infinitely more valid than the latter.
LGBT-only spaces (sorry, I can't bring myself to embrace the Q-word), culturally specific spaces, religious spaces, I don't think there's any problem with these. But white-only spaces? Or black-only spaces? That's a different animal. Which is why I think they led to controversy. I've given serious thought to creating some kind of "workplace diversity done right" programme.🤔
I also hate the term BIPOC (I wrote an article about it) again, because it links people together who have no real point of connection except that they're not white. I think Asians, Latinos etc. are usually included in BIPOC, no? Anyway, as I've said many times before, humanity probably isn't going to outgrow tribes any time soon. I just wish we were better at making those tribes meaningful.
"sorry, I can't bring myself to embrace the Q-word"
yeah, I hear that. especially nowadays. (also I get why older/boomer gays would resist the word.) I've been using it since the 90s as a catch-all for LGB, so it's just another word for that acronym to me. what makes me want to resist it these days is the frequency of straight people using it to describe themselves. that's kind of a joke to me, worthy of a sneer or at least an eyeroll. I actually got in an argument with my youngest staffer over this usage - I guess it's common in Gen Z? anyway, I think straight people using it is super performative and cringey, akin to calling yourself a demisexual.
"I also hate the term BIPOC (I wrote an article about it) ... I think Asians, Latinos etc. are usually included in BIPOC, no?"
hey can you link to that article? I think I must have missed it.
yep, Asians etc. are included in the catch-all POC part of BIPOC, which is exactly what I find diminishing & othering. at least the standalone "POC", for all its flaws, equalizes all "people of color" rather than uplifting Black & Indigenous as apparently the most important POC, the rest can just be thrown together in the POC part. It's like if "LGBT" was "GaysEtc" - Gays taking precedence, lesbians & bis & trans tossed together into Etc.
"hey can you link to that article? I think I must have missed it."
Hey Mark, sorry for the delay. Here it is. https://steveqj.medium.com/bipoc-is-the-new-ni-er-9c6c76d28d73
And yeah, as with so many other things "queer" has just become a way for people who want to gain a few points on the victimhood hierarchy to claim they're oppressed. Oh, you kissed somebody of the same sex in college or had an open relationship once? Welcome to Q+!!
“sorry, I can't bring myself to embrace the Q word”
You’ll find very few gay men over a certain age who don’t find it as offensive as the N word.
“Queer” is what hundreds, maybe thousands, have had shouted at them as their teeth were knocked out and their noses flattened.
Like the friend I visited in the hospital in 1982, all his incisors gone and one eye damaged to uselessness.
Mark, I would appreciate you not using that vile word. And don’t dick me around with “reclaimed” or “language evolves.” This is a PTSD level issue. My watch tells me my heart rate went to 135 when I read it.
We are gay. We are not queer.
“I also hate the term BIPOC (I wrote an article about it) again, because it links people together who have no real point of connection except that they're”
Same as I feel about everything after “LGB.”
Now they’re even being “inclusive” with prostitutes.
I never heard if anyone pretending to be LGB. But nearly every T is pretending.