"I don't think formally or legally redefining even a fully feminized man as a woman is going to convince everyone"
Yeah, absolutely. *Nothing* is going to convince everyone. 'Twas ever thus. Some women are going to be unhappy if trans women are permanently excluded from female spaces. Some will be unhappy if even fully transitioned trans …
"I don't think formally or legally redefining even a fully feminized man as a woman is going to convince everyone"
Yeah, absolutely. *Nothing* is going to convince everyone. 'Twas ever thus. Some women are going to be unhappy if trans women are permanently excluded from female spaces. Some will be unhappy if even fully transitioned trans women are allowed to use bathrooms. That's why I'm hammering on the word "reasonable." And I actually think bathrooms are the least controversial spaces for most women.
Unlike us floor-pissing neanderthals, women always have private stalls in which to use the bathroom. There are certainly some women who still object to trans women using bathrooms, and I get it, but once we recognise the fact that trans people exist, the most logical solution, in my opinion, is that trans people use the bathroom of the gender they identify as.
I've written about this in more detail here (https://steveqj.substack.com/p/every-time-i-think-the-left-has-jumped?s=w) but the short version is, if you're forcing trans women to use men's bathrooms, you're also forcing trans men to use women's bathrooms. But there's a problem. Trans men, in many cases, look absolutely indistinguishable from men. Beards and all. So what you're really doing is normalising the sight of completely masculine looking people walking into female bathrooms.
There's the trope of the pervy man in a dress trying to sneak into women's bathrooms, but what you'd end up with, is pervy men not even having to bother with the dress. Bathrooms aren't segregated by sex, they're segregated by gender expression (masculinity/femininity). Butch women already find themselves questioned in female bathrooms sometimes. And trans women who "pass" sail right in unchallenged.
But while bathrooms are segregated by gender expression, changing rooms, sports and rape crisis centres are segregated by biological sex. So a different conversation needs to be had there.
And yes, I'm always only referring to genuinely gender dysphoric people when I say trans. "Non-binary" people, and everybody else who likes to "dismantle categories" because they think it's "edgy", while giving no thought to the implications of their stupid, postmodernist games, can take a running jump.
"I don't think formally or legally redefining even a fully feminized man as a woman is going to convince everyone"
Yeah, absolutely. *Nothing* is going to convince everyone. 'Twas ever thus. Some women are going to be unhappy if trans women are permanently excluded from female spaces. Some will be unhappy if even fully transitioned trans women are allowed to use bathrooms. That's why I'm hammering on the word "reasonable." And I actually think bathrooms are the least controversial spaces for most women.
Unlike us floor-pissing neanderthals, women always have private stalls in which to use the bathroom. There are certainly some women who still object to trans women using bathrooms, and I get it, but once we recognise the fact that trans people exist, the most logical solution, in my opinion, is that trans people use the bathroom of the gender they identify as.
I've written about this in more detail here (https://steveqj.substack.com/p/every-time-i-think-the-left-has-jumped?s=w) but the short version is, if you're forcing trans women to use men's bathrooms, you're also forcing trans men to use women's bathrooms. But there's a problem. Trans men, in many cases, look absolutely indistinguishable from men. Beards and all. So what you're really doing is normalising the sight of completely masculine looking people walking into female bathrooms.
There's the trope of the pervy man in a dress trying to sneak into women's bathrooms, but what you'd end up with, is pervy men not even having to bother with the dress. Bathrooms aren't segregated by sex, they're segregated by gender expression (masculinity/femininity). Butch women already find themselves questioned in female bathrooms sometimes. And trans women who "pass" sail right in unchallenged.
But while bathrooms are segregated by gender expression, changing rooms, sports and rape crisis centres are segregated by biological sex. So a different conversation needs to be had there.
And yes, I'm always only referring to genuinely gender dysphoric people when I say trans. "Non-binary" people, and everybody else who likes to "dismantle categories" because they think it's "edgy", while giving no thought to the implications of their stupid, postmodernist games, can take a running jump.
Some good points in there, I take to heart the one about rape crisis centers over bathrooms.
Some countries only have one bathroom for everyone. Not here.
Love your final sentence.