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Peaceful Dave's avatar

The DNA Genetics site does not use the word race. Do you think that identifiable race falls out of what they do measure? https://www.23andme.com/ancestry-composition-guide/

Note that genetic Ashkenazi Jewish is identifiable with a precision of 99.

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Steve QJ's avatar

Actually this is a good point. As IтАЩve said before, тАЬraceтАЭ is a term I avoid whenever possible because, as you say, it has no meaningful definition. But тАЬracismтАЭ is widely understood to be discrimination based on skin colour. So when I want to talk about that particular problem, I use the word тАЬracism.тАЭ

But yes, to your point, *no* skin colour is тАЬproperly speakingтАЭ a race. Imprecise on my part. But black people/white people/brown people/etc. are thought of as тАЬracesтАЬ for the purposes of discussions about racism.

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Chris Fox's avatar

I am 87% Ashkenazi, more than most Israelis. OK, three of my grandparents were Jewish but how my Irish grandfather got to be half Jewish will forever remain a mystery.

I don't buy "race is a social construct" any more than gender. It doesn't take too many generations of geographic isolation between two colonies of a species before they can no longer interbreed.

There are differences. They're just not superiorities or inferiorities.

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raffey's avatar

Personally, I think these ancestry businesses are for the birds. I'm not included in 23andme Jewish ancestry because my people are Sephardic. It gets even more complicated in Israel.

In Ethiopia, people have been practicing Judaism for 3,000 years. As his Holiness Abuna Paulos, patriarch of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, who holds a PhD in theology from Princeton University, explains: "We've had 1,000 years of Judaism, followed by 2,000 years of Christianity, and that's why our religion is rooted in the Old Testament."

When Christianity, and forced conversion, arrived in Ethiopia in the 4th century (AD), people who continued to practice Judaism were called тАЬFalashaтАЭ (a derogatory term meaning outsider).

Sixteen hundred years later, during the political unrest of 1991, more than 14,000 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel. Unfortunately, Ethiopian Jews who had converted to Christianity were left behind. Ethiopian Israelis, known as Beta Israel (meaning House of Israel) have been trying to bring their family members to Israel ever since. Suffice to say, IsraelтАЩs immigration issues are as divisive as ours, and for much the same reason (religion).

The covenant of the ark, containing the two tablets with the Ten Commandments carried down the mountain by Moses is said to be in Ethiopia. The Smithsonian published a good article about this legend.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/keepers-of-the-lost-ark-179998820/

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

Conflation of ancestry via genetics vs. religious conviction? The point being that there is an identifiable genetic ancestry path, and there are also people who self-identify as Jews thru their religion. Thus, the two sides of the argument pertaining to a racial component.

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raffey's avatar

I think you covered it - very well.

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Chris Fox's avatar

In Israel, you know, "the Jewish state," Sephardic Jews are second-class citizens.

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