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Steve QJ's avatar

"Steve QJ up there will tell you a woman is defined solely by the gametes. Does that mean that every single biologist in the field has killed or anesthetized every single animal they’ve observed to take a good look at their gametes?"

AAARGGGHH!! This argument is so face-meltingly silly!!😅

Can you tell the difference between a dog and a cat just by looking? Or do you have to sequence the DNA of each animal you encounter? If a person with male external genitalia came up to you and asked you why "they" were having trouble getting pregnant, would you find that a "legitimately hard question"? Would you need to kill or anaesthatise me before you could tell that I have some sub-saharan ancestry?

The idea that our appearance is somehow divorced from our biology is just so...I don't even know how to finish that sentence.

As I've said several times here and elsewhere, secondary sex characteristics, especially external genitalia, line up with biological sex (i.e."sex cells, reproduction, hormones, phenotypes, mating patterns, behavior patterns, evolutionary pressures, and much, much, much more") in 99.98% of cases. Not just in humans, but in every single sexually dimorphic species. That's as good as it gets in biology or pretty much anything else.

You can have almost exactly the same degree of certainty that you've sexed somebody correctly by glancing at external genitalia as you can that if you flip a coin it won't land on its edge but on heads or tails (that's not hyperbole, I can dig up the number on this).

Plus, as every teenage boy in the world can attest, you don't have to kill an organism to get a look at its gametes.😉

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

Yesterday at the grocery store I again encountered Jake the cashier. Name tag filled from corner to corner with the block printed name JAKE. An apron purposefully hiding the presence of breasts. Very short hair curled at the ends. Not at all butch. That day a face mask so only her eyes were visible. Beautiful feminine eyes without makeup that crushed the attempted androgyny and yet subtle or I would not have noticed the androgyny.

At first glance there are people who pass as the opposite gender, until you look critically. Beautiful men and handsome women but there is this. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1400/format:webp/1*96H2OommkTPWcEnVtDv7Rw.jpeg

Nature makes scientific proof of gender largely unnecessary.

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Miguelitro's avatar

"Blasphemous," but true... Evolution is vastly cleverer than ideologues.

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