Yes, I've heard gay men dismiss male bisexuals as fence sitters, and treat them as being partway along the coming out process. It makes sense, based on their own experience, for many. And I meet bisexuals who figure everybody is really bisexual, some are just too hung up to let it out - again, generalizing from their intuitions or expe…
Yes, I've heard gay men dismiss male bisexuals as fence sitters, and treat them as being partway along the coming out process. It makes sense, based on their own experience, for many. And I meet bisexuals who figure everybody is really bisexual, some are just too hung up to let it out - again, generalizing from their intuitions or experience.
What I was curious about is any kind of statistics or study.
Yeah that was a common belief in the 70s. It was none other than Saint Lou Reed who put the kibosh on it with "you don't get to call yourself gay unless you suck cock or get fucked."
Yes a lot of gay men were horribly misogynistic, referring to women as "fish." I don't know about lesbians.
But I will just let it out here. While gay people have made disproportionate contributions to society and culture, the gay culture has never produced anything of value and at least back when I was briefly in it was rotten to the core. Rotten with cruelty and shallowness and useless in its disincentives to maturity. Gay men were encouraged to capitulate to every impulse and indulge any whim, to never grow up.
I remember one late morning in 1982 some time after we learned what AIDS really was, that we had to cut way back on the promiscuity. It hit me all of a sudden with one of those hard heart thumps: my life was going to change. I'd been to bathhouses a few times and sometimes it was a blast. That was clearly over, but of course the bathhouses would be closed soon anyway.
They weren't.
A lot of people prudently changed their behavior but many reacted in defiance, almost moving into the bathhouses, refusing to use condoms, aggressively promiscuous and infecting murderously. And the goddamn gay community, steeped in the ethos of postmodernism and long accustomed to resisting negative messages about sex, refused to make the most evident judgments. Yap yap yap "personal responsibility."
Even when infected men were lying about their HIV status and perforating their condoms to deliberately infect others, value judgments were off limits.
It was a sick, ghastly society and if it still exists it almost certainly still is.
Steve and others have noted that I am chillingly comfortable in drawing lines. I do not hesitate to condemn, and if you ever wondered why, now you know.
Yes, I've heard gay men dismiss male bisexuals as fence sitters, and treat them as being partway along the coming out process. It makes sense, based on their own experience, for many. And I meet bisexuals who figure everybody is really bisexual, some are just too hung up to let it out - again, generalizing from their intuitions or experience.
What I was curious about is any kind of statistics or study.
Yeah that was a common belief in the 70s. It was none other than Saint Lou Reed who put the kibosh on it with "you don't get to call yourself gay unless you suck cock or get fucked."
Yes a lot of gay men were horribly misogynistic, referring to women as "fish." I don't know about lesbians.
But I will just let it out here. While gay people have made disproportionate contributions to society and culture, the gay culture has never produced anything of value and at least back when I was briefly in it was rotten to the core. Rotten with cruelty and shallowness and useless in its disincentives to maturity. Gay men were encouraged to capitulate to every impulse and indulge any whim, to never grow up.
I remember one late morning in 1982 some time after we learned what AIDS really was, that we had to cut way back on the promiscuity. It hit me all of a sudden with one of those hard heart thumps: my life was going to change. I'd been to bathhouses a few times and sometimes it was a blast. That was clearly over, but of course the bathhouses would be closed soon anyway.
They weren't.
A lot of people prudently changed their behavior but many reacted in defiance, almost moving into the bathhouses, refusing to use condoms, aggressively promiscuous and infecting murderously. And the goddamn gay community, steeped in the ethos of postmodernism and long accustomed to resisting negative messages about sex, refused to make the most evident judgments. Yap yap yap "personal responsibility."
Even when infected men were lying about their HIV status and perforating their condoms to deliberately infect others, value judgments were off limits.
It was a sick, ghastly society and if it still exists it almost certainly still is.
Steve and others have noted that I am chillingly comfortable in drawing lines. I do not hesitate to condemn, and if you ever wondered why, now you know.