"I think it is reasonable for Plural to ask you for your proposed 'rule'."
Where does he ask me for a "rule"? And with regards to women's spaces, why would he even need to ask me for a rule? Is there any man who is unclear about the criteria by which he's excluded from women's spaces?
And *please* tell me why white people of the past coul…
"I think it is reasonable for Plural to ask you for your proposed 'rule'."
Where does he ask me for a "rule"? And with regards to women's spaces, why would he even need to ask me for a rule? Is there any man who is unclear about the criteria by which he's excluded from women's spaces?
And *please* tell me why white people of the past could legitimately argue that they were uncomfortable in the close presence of black people. I promise not to jump down your throat. But I think you're on incredibly shaky ground there.😅
Bathrooms are not at the centre of the issue. In fact, when talking about women's spaces, I rarely mention them. Because they're the one space that I think is segregated by gender expression far more than sex. In my experience talking about this issue, bathrooms are by far the least controversial (though still controversial for some) women's space.
Communal changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis centres, these kinds of spaces have always been segregated by sex. And it's understandable why women would be uncomfortable with men in those spaces in a sense that I see absolutely no way to compare to black people and white people. I'm all ears though.
People conflate race with the class issue. I live in a neighbourhood full of people who look like me and don't look like me, and while we've had some crime here I've never felt unsafe. When I was scouting 'hoods many years ago I applied my usual tests - What condition are their cars? How well do they dress (not fancy/expensive, just clean, basic decent clothes).
Class is what's important, or just basic decent appearance and minding one's own business. Poor, drug-ridden, criminal white people are just as scary as their darker similar brethren and sistren.
Absolutely. As I pointed out to Plural, most communities are segregated by poverty. If you just cast your eye over some communities, this is easy to mistake for segregation by race. There are many reasons for this. Racism among them. But it's both silly and unproductive to pretend that racism is the sole factor.
"I think it is reasonable for Plural to ask you for your proposed 'rule'."
Where does he ask me for a "rule"? And with regards to women's spaces, why would he even need to ask me for a rule? Is there any man who is unclear about the criteria by which he's excluded from women's spaces?
And *please* tell me why white people of the past could legitimately argue that they were uncomfortable in the close presence of black people. I promise not to jump down your throat. But I think you're on incredibly shaky ground there.😅
Bathrooms are not at the centre of the issue. In fact, when talking about women's spaces, I rarely mention them. Because they're the one space that I think is segregated by gender expression far more than sex. In my experience talking about this issue, bathrooms are by far the least controversial (though still controversial for some) women's space.
Communal changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis centres, these kinds of spaces have always been segregated by sex. And it's understandable why women would be uncomfortable with men in those spaces in a sense that I see absolutely no way to compare to black people and white people. I'm all ears though.
People conflate race with the class issue. I live in a neighbourhood full of people who look like me and don't look like me, and while we've had some crime here I've never felt unsafe. When I was scouting 'hoods many years ago I applied my usual tests - What condition are their cars? How well do they dress (not fancy/expensive, just clean, basic decent clothes).
Class is what's important, or just basic decent appearance and minding one's own business. Poor, drug-ridden, criminal white people are just as scary as their darker similar brethren and sistren.
Absolutely. As I pointed out to Plural, most communities are segregated by poverty. If you just cast your eye over some communities, this is easy to mistake for segregation by race. There are many reasons for this. Racism among them. But it's both silly and unproductive to pretend that racism is the sole factor.