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jen segal's avatar

I really enjoyed Jonathan haidt’s ted talk on the moral roots of liberals and conservatives as an attempt to answer your question. https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_the_moral_roots_of_liberals_and_conservatives

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Passion guided by reason's avatar

I've wondered if the distinctions Haidt described in The Righetous Mind have been shifting since progressivism and liberalism have been to substantial degree conquered by Critical Social Justice.

In particular, I think I have observed an increase in Sanctity/Degradation dynamics, and in Loyalty/Betrayal framings, within CSJ influenced people. For example in cancellation dynamics.

Like the case of the immigrant businessman whose teenaged daughter had posted some bad posts many years ago while in a phase of trying to be edgy, so now the business needs to be boycotted because of a supposed moral taint (regardless of whether the business or father had ever had questionable approaches, and of the daughter's subsequent development). And then their friends want to avoid them, to avoid being associated with taint and getting some on them. Barry Weiss covered this, but I've heard of many other cases which sound like religious or superstitious magical thinking about moral taint.

And I've seen loyalty to the progressive tribe emphasized in ways the exceed my old experiences in liberalism.

If there is anything to my perceptions of a shift in the 6 moral foundations of the CSJ based left compared with the more traditional liberals being studied when those foundations were first described, maybe it's connected to the illiberalism of CSJ being different than traditional liberalism and borrowing some framings from traditional Christianity.

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Peaceful Dave's avatar

Thanks. I read that book and it resonated with me. I may seem a bit schizophrenic in that while I am on board with much of what is associated with liberalism, I also see value in order.

An example would be that I'm not so crazy about atonal music because it has no home and seems chaotic. The idea just popped into my mind that musical taste may have quite a bit to do with that.

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